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CT How did Owen and Beru Lars and Obi-Wan Kenobi not recognize C-3PO and R2-D2?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by DarthVist, May 22, 2020.

  1. DarthVist

    DarthVist Jedi Padawan star 1

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    In the prequel trilogy, it was shown that they knew them. But in the original trilogy, they don't seem to know who they are.
     
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  2. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Most droids come off assembly lines and appear nearly identical. As a rule, people don't pay much attention to droids. They're just high end appliances.
     
  3. Lord-Skywalker

    Lord-Skywalker Chosen One star 5

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    When you've seen one droid, you've seen them all. :D
     
  4. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    well C-3PO had totally different coverings, and they only saw R2 for like a minute in ATOC before he went back to the ship.

    and most droids like them looked relatively similar.
     
  5. Hernalt

    Hernalt Force Ghost star 4

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    "You all look the same to me"
     
  6. Jordan1Kenobi

    Jordan1Kenobi SWC 100 Day Star Wars Challenge Host star 6 VIP - Game Host

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    Obi-Wan: "I don't seem to remember ever owning a droid."
    R4-P17: "Am I a joke to you?"
     
  7. Oissan

    Oissan Force Ghost star 7

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    He didn't own that droid though. If your workplace hands you a laptop for work, you don't suddenly own it, even if you use it.

    As for the original question: I think this one has been asked and answered about a bazillion times by now ;)
    There really is little reason for them to think that they know these droids. They have been surrounded by plenty of them for years on end, their types are common and all are of the same design with just a little variation in colour. Also, as mentioned above, 3PO had different coverings than he did when the Larses last met him, making it even less likely that they would recognize him. Adding to that, they never get to mention their names to Owen, and Beru never sees them at all.

    Obi Wan could perhaps remember such a combination of droids hanging out together, but droids have never been more than devices to him anyway. Not that he definately doesn't know who they are. The glance that Alec Guinness gives upon hearing the story plays very well with him having a hunch who these droids might be. His following answers play right into his act of not telling more than necessary. So whether he recognizes one, both or neither of the droids, his statement that he doesn't remember ever owning a droid remains true.
     
  8. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    There are estimates of quadrillions of living beings in GFFA. I'm assuming the droid population might be less, but that could still be trillions of droids, they are all not going to have unique voices and mannerisms.
     
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  9. Lord-Skywalker

    Lord-Skywalker Chosen One star 5

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    Be mindful with all SW plot holes .................. you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view.
     
  10. Blobofat

    Blobofat Chosen One star 6

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    C3PO spends half his time telling people who he is! He has a very distinct identity, so, unless there are lots of posh uptight anglo-droids walking around the back end of nowhere on Tatooine, I think Owen would remember him.
     
  11. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Probably because we know the movies better than Lucas does. :p
     
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  12. Blobofat

    Blobofat Chosen One star 6

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  13. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    … from a certain point of view. :ben:
     
  14. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

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    When Uncle Owen buys him from the Jawas, C-3PO never actually introduces himself. Owen asks a couple of questions and buys him. He then tells Luke to take them and get them cleaned up. Luke then leaves with 3PO early to find R2. Owen does not interact with either droid after purchasing them, and since 3PO has different coverings from before, this means he is not aware of 3PO being 3PO.

    As far as Obi-Wan is concerned, he is not lying. He never owned R2 or 3PO. He never says he doesn't recognize or remember them. He merely says he doesn't remember owning a droid, which is true. He never owned either one of them, and he was not the owner of R4-P17.

    But this is not a plot hole. It's more of a continuity error created by the prequels, but still easily explained away.
     
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  15. devilinthedetails

    devilinthedetails Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Obi-Wan's answer is pretty careful in that he says he doesn't remember owning R2, which is true. He never owned R2. Personally, I interpret it as he does recognize R2--he even calls R2 his little friend, which is a term of endearment, as if he might associate R2 with his memories of fighting with Anakin in the Clone Wars.

    Beru and Owen would barely have met R2 back when Anakin and Padme came to the Lars farm way back in AOTC. It wasn't as if R2 spent a long time at the Lars farm and interacted with them in depth, so it really doesn't surprise me that they wouldn't remember R2 from that brief meeting.

    The best argument is that Beru and Owen should've recognized C-3P0 from when C-3PO lived on the Lars farm, and I think that may be regarded as a fair continuity error, but still there are plenty of people that I knew fifteen years ago that I might not recognize if I met face-to-face today. Human memory is not infallible, after all. So it doesn't really bug me that much.
     
  16. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Obi Wan should have been a Jedi lawyer as his truth stretching ability is legendary. :p
     
  17. CloneBlooper

    CloneBlooper Jedi Master star 1

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    They were alcoholics. That’s why they didn’t have any children, cause you know, Owen couldn’t ignite his Sabre.

    Remember droids? They couldn’t even remember what they had for breakfast.
     
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  18. Oissan

    Oissan Force Ghost star 7

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    It would be a fair argument if
    a) Beru ever interacted with the droids (she doesn't)
    b) 3PO looked like he did when he worked for them (he doesn't)

    There isn't really any reason for Owen to think that this particular droid could be 3PO, if he even remembered all that much about 3PO in the first place. 3PO doesn't give his name, and he looks completely different from the last time Owen saw him. Owen's behaviour in ANH doesn't exactly suggest that he's the type who cares much about droids outside of them doing work for him either. As you say, remembering someone from 15 years ago can be tricky. And that is even more true when said person would suddenly look completely different.
     
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  19. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Also, Owen and Beru are about the most "salt of the earth" characters in the entire Saga. Their focus is on running their farm. Even Shmi had thoughts beyond her slavery. Owen and Beru, while they love Luke, are focused on keeping Luke focused. Owen, in particular, is monofocused on the success of their family farm, to the point where he doesn't even have much interest in Luke's future apart from the farm. Droids are tools. And, in that environment, they are tools that probably get burned through rapidly.

    Take any two real world tired, worn out, worked to the bone farmers from a poor region and ask them if they can tell that their new tractor is actually the tractor they owned 20 years ago but with an entirely new casing on it.
     
  20. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I just figured Owen and Beru paid so little attention to their droids (seeing them as mere machines not friends) and probably had so many over the years that after 20 years it would be easy to not recognize 3PO-especially if he was grey when he left them and is now gold. As far as R2, it's entirely possible Obi-Wan did recognize R2 but just didn't tell Luke. Technically he may have been referencing the fact that he never specifically "owned" a droid-since Jedi forbad ownership of possessions-and he was just playing off of that feigned ignorance. Obviously R2 himself didn't see it that way, as he said he belonged to him, R2 clearly knew who he was at least. Also, Obi-Wan did keep plenty of other things from Luke as well, including the fact that R2 was presenting him with a message that was recorded by luke's own sister-and that he was watching it himself and didn't know...That must have been weird for Kenobi really.
     
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  21. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Too much Jawa Juice.
     
  22. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    He'd better squeeze those Jawas before breakfast, or there'll be hell to pay.
     
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  23. lord_sidious_

    lord_sidious_ Jedi Knight star 2

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    I recognize that 3PO had new coverings, but his voice seems very distinct to me. Owen lived with 3PO for a while (maybe a few years?) and his voice hadn't changed, so it still seems a bit weird to me.
     
  24. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Chosen One star 9

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    Owen was so traumatized that he had his mind wiped.
     
  25. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    How many droids did the Lars go through over the decades they farmed on Tatooine? They bought them cheap off Jawas, most probably they were stolen rather than recovered lost in the Jundlasd Wastes like Threepio and Artoo had been.
     
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