main
side
curve

How much is too much -- for YOU? Why?

Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by LLL, Feb 3, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. GraySaberFreque

    GraySaberFreque Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Nov 23, 2006
    Sex: Being 14, I normally stop reading cause I get embarrased, but i read it sometimes.

    I don't read rape or homosexual stories however, I'm catholic.

    Violence: This stuff is great when used for the right purpose.

    It is mostly used like cuss words, to make the story more realistic.

    Pointless violencve is stupid, but if it adds to the story anf gives a realistic mood, then its the greatest thing pro-fic and fan-fic will ever get.
     
  2. SilSolo

    SilSolo Jedi Knight star 5

    Registered:
    Mar 5, 2004
    I will not read slash. The rest depends on the story and on whether or not they would go against my conscience.
     
  3. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jun 4, 2002
    Interesting topic... O:)

    I freely admit it, I'm damn proud of my "PM" Scenes, although I've found that recently I've skirted around them (which is just as well, as my current readership just doesn't seem too interested - the last fic I wrote with a 'stronger' version had all of two request for it!)


    But I've never been one to go into details about 'tab A and slot B' - the excerpt from the FAQ is still about average for me - the PM scenes might show a bit more skin, but I've always focused on the emotions of sex/lovemaking, whether its between men and women or other... if the emotion isn't there (even if it's just redirected passion) neither am I...
     
  4. CassaSoloDaughterOfA

    CassaSoloDaughterOfA Jedi Youngling star 2

    Registered:
    Jul 4, 2006
    I will generally stop when things tend to get too...graphic, if you will. [face_plain]

    I have a high taste for written horror and drama, as well as angst.
    I won't read pointless violence and anger. Mainly because there's too much of it in reality to begin with.
    I live in a crime ridden, and sex obsessed town. [face_frustrated]
    I'm only thirteen and I started reading Star Wars in the first place to help me, "Get away from it all.".

    How can I do that if it's even in the stories being read?

    Here it's a big deal if your a senior in High School and you haven't had a child yet.
    I go to a Charter School for juvenile delinquents. Everyone has either been expelled from the previous school due to violence, and failure, and has been to Juvenile Hall and will not be accepted anywhere else. I can't wait to get out, and until then my only salvation is my faith and fictional stories. (And in case your wondering: I'm not attending for the same reasons.)

    As for romance: I'll stop when it turns into, as you put it, "smut". I have a full education on what sex is, what leads to sex, and what sex itself leads to, as well as what it's for. Part of my knowledge came from school. The other portion came from my impregnated friends. [face_plain]
     
  5. DarthGaul

    DarthGaul Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 25, 2004
    People that over do it with all that nonsense...yeah those are the ones that ruin it for the others. Fan fics have certain audiences...its a matter of knowing who's more into the material then those that just write it for the sheer shock value. I mean...there's a fine line between being a fan of the genre and then being an all-out nut case. (I'm sure many of us fans have been "called" that, heh!)

    It's all a matter of where this fic is being written and for which type of audience.
     
  6. LeatherNeck

    LeatherNeck Jedi Youngling star 3

    Registered:
    Mar 24, 2006
    I draw the line at rape, incest and pedophilic writing. That kind of crap just pisses me off.

    As for Homosexual, I'm not into it, but I don't object to it.
     
  7. Rhodna

    Rhodna Jedi Youngling star 2

    Registered:
    Nov 28, 2006
    I'm known for having a very tough stomach and I'll probably read most of anything - so long as it's well-written and can immerse me in that particular fictional world. I'm fine with all genres of stories, from slash (since I've written several yaoi pieces for an anime show :p) to horror/psychological thriller. The sex scenes never bothered me that much, but they became annoying and tiresome when there was no reason, plot-wise, for them to be thrown into the story (or if the plot itself consists solely of smut - a few doses can be invigorating to read, but more than that becomes very boring).

    As for graphic violence/gore, I'm not against it either - in fact, I prefer darker tales. Concerning my own writing, I don't usually shy away from graphically intense images, but I try not to make them too over the top (ex: Kill Bill-style bodies squirting out gallons of blood - while that was a very amusing aspect of the movie and it gave me a lot of laughs, it sounds utterly artificial and unnecessary in a fic).
     
  8. CrazyAni

    CrazyAni Jedi Master star 4

    Registered:
    Feb 23, 2006


    I am of age to read anything I'd like to, neither am I restricted by any beliefs. BUT: it doesn't mean that I will.

    Usually, I tend to avoid slash and all too-graphical sex scenes. Admitted, I don't like implied sex scenes either. IMO, it's not something to write and read about. It's something very private, even for fictional characters...

    If you want to show how much these two characters love each other, there are so many ways to show it without going graphic. If you want to show how good of an author you are, write a gripping emotional scene or slight fluff. That's my philisophy.

    As for violence, there are is too much of it in RL, starting with two guys who tried to mug me yesterday... I read fanfic to escape it, not to be pursued by it even here. I can stand mention of blood, bruises, or even teeth getting knocked out. But not more. Not two blood-smeared guys pummeling each other into a formless mess.

     
  9. MsLanna

    MsLanna Jedi Master star 6

    Registered:
    Jul 8, 2005
    I'm old enough to read anything, too. Still I can stand more sex than violence. I remember that film where somebody gets his eyes drilled open, and that's noth something I'd like to see or even read again. [face_sick] :_|

    I'll agree to the consesn that is has to be well written. But if I want sex only, I'll got and grab one of my old novels, somehow the idea of Luke and Mara getting strage ideas while thworing sweet cakes at each other disturbs me. Guess I'm being starnge there. *shrugs*

    Forbidden stuff -- well if you have to. (And write it well). I remember I did that once and my Master said 'You might get trouble with TOS for that, and I went all:eek: because I hadn't thought about it. I was worried too, because the story would not have worked otherwise, and I wondered how my reades woul take alink to somewhere off-page insted of an update. :p

    Violence, I'm in two minds about that. I'm a complete sissy when it comes to violent movies, but anime? bring it on! No such thing as excessive blood and gore there for me. But there are times when you just need a good bloodshed for a story. And then, you should be able to write it.

    Fortunately I'm not very good at writin either sex or violence, so I don't have any problems keeping my stuff PG-13. And if it's well written, I don't need any details, either, my imagination can be very dirty.[face_mischief] I agree with Leona, that implied can be much worse, because what is 'worst' is different for everybody and like that everybody gets the worst they can imagine. On these boards, with these imaginations running free I'm sure I don't want to know half of it. [face_worried] ;)
     
  10. DarthGaul

    DarthGaul Jedi Master star 3

    Registered:
    May 25, 2004
    Those that write overly erotic or porn in Star Wars fan fics...to me that's really disgusting to see that. Take that crap and put it on Adult only fiction sites and not on one where "little eyes" can view. Violence is going to be in stories no matter what...how graphic and descriptive is another matter entirely. Some of the best novels and motion pictures have lots of disturbing and violent images...but most of the time if it's for a general audience...it's not gratuitous.

    A good writer will know how to make it work so that all can enjoy the story and get the suggestive bits on their own levels of understanding.
     
  11. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jun 4, 2002
    Ok wait a minute here.

    Ummm, OK - it may not be your cup of tea, but there's NOTHING wrong with well written erotica, and sex is how we all get here. Sometimes it's a very important part of the story. It's not 'crap' and it's not disgusting.

    But wait.. on the other hand you wrote:

    How it it 'another matter entirely?' Violence can be JUST as disturbing to others as sex is to you, and yet, artfully veiled images can be even MORE illustrative than 'in your face' blood and gore.

    Lets compare the hack and slash movie series "Nightmare on Elm street" - pretty graphic, lots of gratuitous gore, but really, no long term 'Nightmarish' after effects really - to something like "Psycho" (not the blasphemous 'remake', but the original,) and "Jaws".

    With Psycho, the only 'gore' you see is the blood running down the drain (in black and white, so not even the colour association.) You don't ever even see the knife touch Janet Lee, but that movie still stands as one of the scariest, creepiest films of all time.

    Jaws: You don't even SEE the shark until nearly the very end of the film, but now, even the very sound of the classic theme makes people remember when there was a time we were 'afraid to go in the Water'.

    Granted, Jaws DOES have it's 'shock' moments - the torso under the boat and the sail board guy's leg drifting down (EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW).

    So to each their own. We have our 'board standards' of PG-ish (the AMERICAN PG, where a bare breast is enough to send the masses into hysteria (being Superbowl Sunday, it's kind of ironic to have this discussion remembering Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" that nearly brought the nations to it's knees!) but all in all, it's the QUALITY of the writing, the STORY itself that's important, and one person's 'gratuitous' is another's 'well rounded work.'

    PS - I know of a GREAT number of fics that don't have either graphic violence, or sexual content, yet they are amazing, tightly written pieces in their own right. In the end, everything is contingent on the AUTHOR'S skill as a storyteller.


     
  12. dianethx

    dianethx Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Mar 1, 2002
    Gotta agree with Breezy here. Violence is much more disturbing to me than sex scenes. I find it very odd that the PG rating allows so much violence and death and yet a single breast flapping the breeze raises howls of disgust.

    I do wonder at people thinking that a person burning up (like Anakin in Ep 3) is only a PG-13 rating but you have bare breasts and it's an R? That's just doesn't make sense, imo. It should be the other way around.

    It really comes down to the story and how it makes you feel.


    And DarthGaul, if you think there is violence in all stories, you've been reading the wrong ones. There are lots and lots of stories on this site that are sweet or funny or romantic without having a bit of violence in them. Tons. Just keep looking.
     
  13. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Guess I'll have to throw down in support of DarthGaul then.

    Isn't there? How would you support that statement?
     
  14. Darth_Father-in-law

    Darth_Father-in-law Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 17, 2005
    I do wonder at people thinking that a person burning up (like Anakin in Ep 3) is only a PG-13 rating but you have bare breasts and it's an R? That's just doesn't make sense, imo. It should be the other way around.

    I agree with you. What is it with sex being worse than violence? I would rather watch hard porn than someone being mutilated into pieces. Violence is diseased, sex is not.

    I'm not of legal age to watch/read everything, and neither I want to. There are quite strict limits to me, mostly because I'm conservative in many ways. Talking about movies, Casino Royale's amount of violence is enough to me. I don't need to see or read very graphic things. Some things are supposed to be unseen.

    If there is a sex-scene, it has to be really good or then it has to be gone. Bad sex-scenes only leave you feeling disturbed and somehow embarrassed. It?s better to make none than to make a bad one, IMO. But if it?s good, then it is good. It?s all about how it?s acted/written.

    It?s not hard to me to think torture-scenes or sex in SW. It?s just a fact that even in SW, people have sex and hurt each other. There were few torture-scenes, very vague but they still existed. Like the one you spoke about ? Vader torturing Leia. It?s twisted and detestable, but it happened. It wasn?t showed, but it was there. And what becomes of violence, SW is supposed to have violence. There is a war going on all the time, and war includes a lot of violence.


     
  15. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Oh, that's quite untrue, you know. Sex and sexually-related things, actions or activities can be quite as depraved as anything else, and violence can be quite uplifting.
     
  16. dianethx

    dianethx Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Mar 1, 2002
    Okay, I have two great examples. Love Acually was a sweet, lovely movie about love and relationships and how people react to different situations. Because 2 people were the stand-ins for a porn movie and they were naked in it (but not having sex), the movie was rated R. I would have no problem taking my kids to see it. The major characters all grew and, in the end, love (the purest form of it) reigned supreme. Oh, and the ones with the least sexual relationship were the two stand-ins. They were adorable.

    Lord of the Rings was PG-13 - full of death, destruction, maimings, heads and bodies flying apart.

    Which one would I think is better to watch? Or for kids to see? Hint- it's not LOTR.
     
  17. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jun 4, 2002
    What do you mean, "How would I support that statement"?

    As I said, we ALL GET HERE THROUGH SEX! It's a basic fact of simple biology.

    The only thing I can say about well written erotica is that if used to forward the story (emphasis on the emotions rather than the motions) then why not? Of course, there's aways PWP, but that's not the issue here.

    I can't help to wonder about the irony here - that depictions of destruction of life are somehow more acceptable than the creation of life...

    In "Titanic" there was more uproar about the (IMHO, a beautiful depiction) love scenes than the fact that 2000 people died - like the people who hit the propellers ont he way down...

    PS - there was more of an uproar about ROTS because it depicted a half naked Anakin *gasp* in bed with Padme than about the immolation scene or the slaughter of the children.
     
  18. Darth_Father-in-law

    Darth_Father-in-law Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 17, 2005
    Oh, that's quite untrue, you know. Sex and sexually-related things, actions or activities can be quite as depraved as anything else, and violence can be quite uplifting.

    Usually, when sex becomes deseased, violence is strongly included. I don't see violence as uplifting thing in any case. Though violence can prevent even more violent things from happening, it's not a good thing. Never.


     
  19. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Hmm, I seem to have stirred up quite a hornets' nest.

    Lord of the Rings, obviously. The children don't need to be introduced to the concept of people selling their bodies for a living at this stage in their lives.

    On the other hand, heroic violence and redemptive suffering are very good things for them to be considering.

    No, I meant the whole acceptance of "erotica" as opposed to the statement of fact regarding procreation.

    It's really more paradoxical, than ironic...

    When sex is removed from its proper context, i.e. when it becomes purely a thing of amusement rather than a deep expression of the love between a man and woman and its procreative aspect, it becomes diseased, whether or not there's a violent element present.

    Again, I'd have to disagree. Violence can quite frequently be a good thing, though regrettable, but that's simply the nature of the reality that we inhabit. This is, after all, a Star Wars forum, lest anyone forget.
     
  20. Luna_Nightshade

    Luna_Nightshade Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

    Registered:
    Jan 25, 2006
    Perhaps this explains my issue then.

    It is not that I find sex disgusting, or inherently disturbing. It is because sexual scenes, or at least the ones I've read, leave me feeling embarrassed. I feel like I'm intruding on something intensely private. I'm not "grossed out" by it in the least--I'm quite old enough and mature enough to not feel that way. However, I just feel embarrassed and vaguely... dirty after reading them. Strangely, I don't feel quite as embarrassed watching a sexual scene on a movie.

    Perhaps it is the fact that with written works, you must guide your readers to see everything. Some writers make sexual scenes like play-by-play announcements. And then he did this... and she did this... In movies, you're able to look, or not look, at whatever you choose. It is more about the feeling you take away from a scene than what you see, as movies can't become as porn-like as sexual cut scenes where everything is explained in graphic detail.

    Hmm... and yes, violence is just part of Star Wars. It is just not avoidable. I just don't like gratuitous violence, and I label gratuitous violence in the same way as I consider sex scenes. If it is a play by play gory explanation of what is going on, it gets to be too much. When it is first his rib broke, then his spleen was shredded, then he fell on a bed of rabid alligators with 250 teeth each that bit into him in all places... then it becomes far too much.

    Perhaps my dislike of the scenes comes from how they can easily devolve into play-by-play announcements. Gentle innuendo focusing on the feeling and not the action, I like just fine.
     
  21. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jun 4, 2002

    Ummmmmmmmmmmm....

    Yeah.

    [face_plain]

     
  22. Quiet_Mandalorian

    Quiet_Mandalorian Jedi Master star 5

    Registered:
    Apr 19, 2005
    Glad you agree.;)
     
  23. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Force Ghost star 6

    Registered:
    Jun 4, 2002
    OK - see THIS I can relate to. The PWP fics often leave me feeling the same way, but I guess the 'car wreck' syndrome kinda gets the best of me [face_blush][face_laugh].

    But over all, as I said, I think that when a 'sex scene' is done 'right', (I think the 'car scene' in Titanic is just beautiful) where you aren't getting a biology lesson or a blow by blow account of every "Bump and Grind", it can be as beautiful as anything written out there...
     
  24. dianethx

    dianethx Jedi Grand Master star 6

    Registered:
    Mar 1, 2002
    Obviously, you never saw Love Actually or you wouldn't be saying that - because that wasn't in the movie. Unless, of course, you think all stand-ins in movies are selling their bodies for a living.

    Now, my first reaction to that statement - I felt ill. Heroic violence? Redemptive suffering?

    However, I understand that some people really believe that violence, if "heroic", is acceptable. To me, it's not. It may be a cultural thing or the way I was raised but I don't think violence should be glorified or that the physical love of individuals (as long as it is love and not just sex) is wrong. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.
     
  25. Darth_Father-in-law

    Darth_Father-in-law Jedi Padawan star 4

    Registered:
    Jul 17, 2005
    I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this issue.

    Same here, because I agree with dianethx. I am raised to be a pacific person. I'll have my opinions about violence and sex, and they remain. I still think that sex (even deseased, made just because of amusement) is not as bad as torturing someone or taking people's lives. We just have to disagree, and that's fine for me.



     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.