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Senate How should the U.S. government be reformed?

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ghost, Jun 17, 2017.

  1. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    The system is already broken, but making a new system that is more responsive allows for corrections to be made much more easily. Anything that erodes "you have to vote for us because the alternative is worse" as a mindset.
     
  2. Vaderize03

    Vaderize03 Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    What do you suggest then? How would you reform the system to thwart those who are determined to break it?

    Drive-by critique of posts is easy, original thought is hard. Let’s hear yours.
     
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  3. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    I think it's less about the system and more about the political actors. Why do so many people support Republicans? Because Republicans have spent every minute of every day for the past 20 years pumping out their propaganda and smearing the Democrats...and Democrats do nothing to defend themselves or their agenda. Democrats can't stop Republicans from saying whatever the hell they want, but they can refute and counter their false narrative. Unless they do that, you're still going to have the same 40% of diehard Trump supporters and the same number of confused swing voters, and that's still more than enough to wreak havoc even if we manage to pass all these reforms.
     
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  4. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah no reform hat is necessary would create something so utterly different. So long as companies like walmart are allowed in this country there can be no reform or betterment of our people
     
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  5. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    Changing the system can absolutely adjust that, though. For example, not *that* many people support Republicans. Gallup tracking polling of party identification hasn't gone over 30% for Republicans in over a year, and less than a quarter of people voted for Republicans in the 2018 election. And we have a system that allows Republicans to paint things as "Absolutely avoid the Democrats" which many people would point out leaves, functionally, one option, which is to vote for them. The ideal of an improved system would be to make it so that a group has to come up with reasons to vote for them, not just reasons to avoid the other. It can also usher in more political actors that can do a better job of it.
     
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  6. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    Even if we implemented ranked-choice voting and switched to a parliamentary system, I don't see that making that big of a difference. You'd still have a power-hungry conservative party, and they'd go into coalition with a bunch of even more insane fascists...just like what happens in Israel. We would technically no longer have a two-party system, but the end result is the same.
     
  7. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    So would your ideal US then be to get rid of democracy? As you're boiling it down to "no change in system would result in Republicans not winning" so that seems like the only thing left is to either ditch voting entirely, or selectively disenfranchise.
     
  8. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    No, I'm saying Democrats need to grow a spine and a brain, and start offering a compelling message as well as seriously challenge the Republicans' narrative. The current system isn't favorable to Democrats, but they can still win if they tried.
     
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  9. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    Well, considering there are communication disruptions between the various institutions, and since communication disruptions can mean only one thing - invasion - it's pretty clear how the US government should be reformed.
     
  10. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    That definitely rings a bell for some reason. I'm almost certain I have heard of that before.
     
  11. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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  12. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Force Ghost star 6

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    I'd love to see a significant reigning in of the powers of the presidency. No party is going to back that, though.
     
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  13. CairnsTony

    CairnsTony Force Ghost star 4

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    Anything that gets rid of, "Don't vote for Trump, but for ****s sake don't vote for anyone other than Biden either," might be an improvement. Then voting, say, Green, won't be seen as an act of evil.

    Oh, and bring in PR FFS. Everybody's vote should count.
     
  14. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    A look into what near-future and far-future forms of government could look like:
     
  15. Emperor Ferus

    Emperor Ferus Chosen One star 7

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    It ultimately boils down to making the Overton window shift leftward.


    Both sides during the Civil War were to the right of most people in America today. Most social reform has happened by an ideological shift to the left.


    That said, I do still believe in democracy, just one where oppressive views and practices are obsolete. No one-party state, but the reverse of where the party ideologies are now.
     
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