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JCC I Have an Actual Moral Dilemma

Discussion in 'Community' started by Rogue1-and-a-half, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Oh Diggy, I would never miss one of your posts.
     
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  2. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Force Ghost star 8

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    This reminds me and it's semi-related, but...have any of you comic book enthusiasts read or heard of Crossed? I've just started getting into graphic novels, and that was on a list of must-reads. I read the general plot synopsis and...holy **** wtf.
     
  3. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 7

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    Yes. Got it. Found it disgusting. Burned it.
     
  4. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Moral dilemmas aren't for everyone.
     
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  5. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    ive read all the Crossed stuff, actually

    the original limited series is excellent

    some of the Badlands arcs are excellent, but a lot of Badlands' 100 issue run is filler/repetative

    the special issues/one-shots tend to be pretty good

    Crossed Family Values limited series was forgettable

    Crossed Psychopath limited series was quite good

    Crossed Wish You Were Here... i liked it as a serialized experience when it was being released online a few pages at a time, but i bet it wouldn't hold up as a straight-through read. probably have pacing problems

    Crossed 100+'s original arc by alan moore was excellent and SO promising, but once he handed off writing duties it kind of got mired. i think its been canceled

    the publisher (avatar) seems to be winding down generally in terms of their output, and badlands ended at issue 100 and 100+ i think has been canceled (there's maybe one issue or so that i havent read yet) so this is either a good or a bad time to be taking an interest in Crossed, depending on your point of view. its basically zombie apocalypse fiction but the zombies are more terrifying
     
  6. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    Okay, so, 1. please take my comment regarding lists into consideration and 2. there are better books by Garth Ennis you could read first anyway (Hitman, Preacher, his runs on Hellblazer and Punisher). Crossed is mediocrity made infamous by some extreme scenes, the Cannibal Ferox of zombie comics.
     
  7. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    preacher is sort of better when its not being boring af

    cant comment on the others
     
  8. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I mean at no point would I consider Garth Ennis "essential reading" or whatever but that's all stuff I enjoyed more than Crossed, obviously we've got some different opinions on that series though. :p
     
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  9. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    we can agree about garth ennis not qualifying as essential in any sense. its popcorn bull****
     
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  10. Rogue_Ten

    Rogue_Ten Chosen One star 7

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    my favorite things hes done are actually two stand-alone miniseries. one was Caliban, which was in the Event Horizon/Sphere "crew of people trapped in a small space with an inscrutable alien horror" subgenre and did it better than most. the other was Rover, Red, Charlie, which was about dogs trying to survive in a zombie/crossed-type apocalypse environment and after all the humans had been wiped out. all of the feelssssss
     
  11. mrsvos

    mrsvos Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A book should always make you feel *something*. Joy, rage, enlightenment or hate....it's done it's job.
     
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  12. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrely Community Mod star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    I would buy a book just to have someone do this!
     
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  13. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 6

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    Burn the book, toast a marshmallow over the fire, and make yourself a s'more; that way you'll get a little joy out of it.
     
  14. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 7

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    Mmmm, holocaust s'mores.
     
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  15. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SfC Part IV Commissioner star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Rogue1-and-a-half Not only was this book required reading as part (i.e.: myself & my brother) of our high school magnet program, my brother loves this book so much that within the past year, he got a painted bird (in color to boot) tattoo.



    As for me, I share your hatred for it. So over-the-top, with a rather obvious message that it treats as a profound discovery (People/society like to single out others as bad, and thus treat them horribly! Wow).
     
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  16. seventhbeacon

    seventhbeacon Jedi Knight star 3

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    I just want to say thank you for having this moral conflict, because I feel the same way about books. No book, no matter how Twilight it might be, is worth burning. I do not like the image that conjures up, or the part of our neanderthal brains that desires the destruction of art and/or knowledge. And yet, I realize that some things are just terribly depraved. Maybe scribble a warning inside the front cover before you donate it?
     
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  17. mrsvos

    mrsvos Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I am totally fine with creating art out of unwanted books.....as a person who has spent 18 years moving remainders around that no one wants to buy. Fun fact: I remember staring at a stack of the first book in the Dexter series for 3 years. Was selling for like, $100 bucks after the show became the rage.
     
  18. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    Just destroy the book. Ridding yourself of your own possessions is not censorship. The latter is an attempt to exert control over others. You are merely expunging unworthy things from the world.
     
  19. epic

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    next thing you know you'll be sleeping on the floor creating movies on the ceiling
     
  20. Havac

    Havac Former Moderator star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Rogue, don't keep the book. If it makes you unhappy to have it, get rid of it.

    If you don't want to give it to someone else, just throw it out. Don't burn it or make some big scene that will feel like censorship; just throw it away. It's a possession that you don't want and has no value to you. You're not censoring the art; the art is still out there. Just get rid of it the way you would if the binding disintegrated or you spilled chocolate milk all over it. Put it in the trash, bag it up, and take it out. It will go into a landfill and slowly disintegrate and no one will ever actually see it again.
     
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  21. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Making this book required reading for anything other than an enhanced interrogation is unbelievably stupid. And I guess your brother is trying to appropriate the symbol of the powerless and turn it into a badge of honor. That's . . . about as positive a reaction as anyone could possibly have to this book.

    But honestly I think various people here have talked me around to the realization that destroying my one single copy of something isn't censorship. That makes sense to me now. I think I'll burn it. Because that will be more fun than shredding it.
     
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  22. darth_gersh

    darth_gersh Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    White Elephant it.
     
  23. Diggy

    Diggy Force Ghost star 7

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    On the day of your birth, did your father consider your mother's womb the world? Because that last sentence is so much better than "breathe, just breathe!"
     
  24. TiniTinyTony

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  25. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I did end up deciding to burn it symbolically. But I still haven't.
     
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