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Saga I want some vegan characters/cultures/species in Star Wars

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by TofuJedi, Dec 10, 2020.

  1. paradigmes

    paradigmes Jedi Knight star 3

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    If vegan appear in Star Wars then they should be realistic i.e they should spend all their screen time to tell other character they are vegan. [face_laugh]

    I think it Luke vegetarian meat-free snack, which is why Yoda say "How you get so big eating food of this kind?" and why Luke make the grimace when he eat Yoda tasty meat stew. [face_laugh]
     
  2. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't even see why this matters in the first place. Lucas may have said in some interview that the Jedi are vaguely based on Buddhism, but it by no means indicates that every single aspect of Jedi philosophy is exactly like Buddhism, of which there are many different and differing branches anyway.
    If you are vegetarian or vegan, I guess you have your own reasons for that. Why look for justification in an imaginary fantasy world? I'm neither vegetarian nor vegan nor Buddhist, and am not ashamed of my viewpoint. I don't eat much meat, and could certainly live without it, but I'm not dogmatic about it.
    Lastly, being vegan doesn't automatically make you a peaceful person, nor does eating meat make you an aggressive war mongering monster.
    Live and let live!
     
  3. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Indeed! Live and let other animals live for their own sakes. Recognize everyone's natural right to do so and act accordingly.
    That is the way of compassion; the way of the Jedi; the way of peace. Knowingly and willingly contributing to the exploitation of others despite knowing that there is no need for us humans to exploit them... is not.
     
  4. A Corpse of Disapproval

    A Corpse of Disapproval Severed Head Admin star 3 Staff Member Manager

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  5. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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  6. Huttese 101

    Huttese 101 Sam Witwer Enthusiast star 7

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    Well, only ten minutes into any one of the movies and you know for a fact that few factions in the GFFA have major problems with killing sentient life. I suppose eating is a different issue.
     
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  7. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Chosen One star 6

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  8. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 10

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    I think this would be equally offensive to vegans and meat eaters. It's got to be Sith food, absolutely.

    [​IMG]
     
  9. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    That sounds potentially disgusting!
    ...but I've never been afraid of mixing flavors that have no business sharing a plate, so let me know if you see a plant-based version :p
     
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  10. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    /endthread. ;)
     
  11. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    End thread? I believe this thread exists because veganism is close to nonexistent in Star Wars.
    I also believe that a few decades from now, if Star Wars is still going strong, we will see less exploitation of innocent creatures. Rian Johnson had the right idea with the fathiers. Then JJ had the Resistance ride orbaks into battle, which was saddening to see, but progress isn't linear. With time, patience and a lot of work, we'll get there.
     
  12. paradigmes

    paradigmes Jedi Knight star 3

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    I suspect that veganism and the use of alien animal is not high on the priority of thing to include in a space fantasy series like Star Wars.
     
  13. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    yes, a tongue in cheek response to the fact of the point Veganism should be somehow included in a movie franchise called Star Wars.
     
  14. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 10

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    They could put a healthy smoothie bar in on the Star Destroyers bridges.
     
  15. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    they can also show future SW movies without laser swords and blasters. The less we see of these things in our fantasy films the better.
     
  16. Nehru_Amidala

    Nehru_Amidala Force Ghost star 7

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    Do the Ithorans count?
     
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  17. paradigmes

    paradigmes Jedi Knight star 3

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    Veggie Wars is good idea for a new franchise, starring

    Luke Soywalker
    Grand Tofu Tarkin
    Darth Vegan
    Chewbroccoli
    Lentil Calrissian

    [face_laugh]
     
  18. El Jedi Colombiano

    El Jedi Colombiano Chosen One star 6

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    [face_rofl]

    Uncle Orange
    Aunt Beetroot
    Omega Twelve Kenobi
    R2-B12
    Zinc-C3PO
     
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  19. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    Why would the concept even exist in a different galaxy? SW is not meant to reflect every movement and trend in Earth societies. That would be so boring. I want to see something different, not a copy of modern Earth. Then I might as well watch a contemporary movie set today on our planet.
     
  20. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    You're asking why the concept of compassion towards different animal species, including those who do not speak and aren't seen as citizens of society, would exist in the GFFA.
    I have to ask: Why wouldn't it?
    Perhaps the word "veganism" triggers something in you. That's not for me to say, but it's certainly triggering for a lot of people.
    What a lot of people have yet to see is that it's just a word that signifies a way of life; a way of life that recognizes every single animal's worth as an individual who experiences life from an individual perspective with sensory and emotional responses; a way of life that respects every individual's natural right to live for their own sake and seeks to avoid all forms of exploitation because needless suffering is an evil that contributes to a violent, unbalanced, sick world; a way of life that, simply put, respects life.

    So you see, this isn't about words or specific movements. Veganism is not a diet or a trend. It's an expression of compassion, which is exactly what Star Wars preaches.
    Some of us just feel that Star Wars, not least of all through the Jedi, could - and should - be more inclusive in its compassion. No life-form, no matter how intelligent/unintelligent, is more/less important to the universe than any other. Everyone serves a purpose and everyone who disrupts the natural balance is ultimately disposable.
    The Jedi know this and I believe more and more people at Lucasfilm will realize what this truly means. Which is why I believe that Star Wars will, inevitably, become more vegan in how it expresses compassion.
    The word "vegan" will not be uttered on screen, but that's not the point. Again, it's just a word.
     
  21. Darth Spookious

    Darth Spookious Jedi Master star 1

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    You want vegan, try spice, pumpkin spice, and lots of it.
     
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  22. Sith Lord 2015

    Sith Lord 2015 Jedi Master star 4

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    No, it doesn't trigger anything in me, don't worry. My opinion is "to each his own". What I don't agree with is that veganism is where every society is necessarily headed. There are so many cultures and ways of life on our planet, and not all of them are headed into that direction. Consider practically all of East Asia, India, Latin America, Africa, Arab countries, and you can easily come up with 3/4 of the world's population. I have spent enough time in Asia to be pretty sure most of the cultures there are not going to go vegan anytime soon.
    Now with SW, it's even more complicated, because we have many different species, not just cultures.
    You don't have to be violent and cause suffering in order to eat meat. Sure, the world is sick in many ways, but I don't see cultures eating meat to be a factor. Sure, the meat industry causes many problems, including environmental ones. But what about an indigenous tribe in the Amazon, that hunts only to survive? Are they evil too?
    But this might escalate and go further off-topic. And frankly I don't want to be part of a discussion about problems in our world. We all know they exist, but not everyone agrees on how to solve them.
    Finally, to make the connection to SW again, Luke for one certainly isn't vegan. He drinks some animal's milk in TLJ. Now vegans don't eat ANY animal products, including eggs, dairy etc. Correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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  23. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Skywalker Saga/LFL/YJCC Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I went vegan 90 percent due to the animal agriculture industry which views animals as products to be exploited and not as living beings, and 10 percent for health reasons. I personally do not judge everyone who eats meat, but I do judge people who view animals in that way.

    I think these quotes that I found this morning fit well with the Jedi philosophy:


    "The Universe is composed of subjects to be communed with,

    not objects to be exploited.

    Everything has its own voice.

    Thunder and lightening and stars and planets, flowers, birds,

    animals, trees -- all these have voices,

    and they constitute a community of existence

    that is profoundly related."
    ~Thomas Berry

    "It became obvious to me that Nature has her own language.
    She speaks through the animals, the trees, and the cool summer breeze. She whispers, embrace me, and I do."
    ~Red Deer Runs In Darkness
     
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  24. paradigmes

    paradigmes Jedi Knight star 3

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    To become more vegan would suggest to me that currently, the Star Wars show a lot of meat eating. But there is not even many eating scenes period, let alone where it show characters actively killing animal and / or eating meat.
     
  25. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    I repeat:
    It's a way of life that:
    ...of nonhuman animals. For example, experimentation for medical purposes, using body parts to make clothes/tools/furniture/cosmetics/medicine etc, forced labor in agriculture/sports/war, keeping them locked up in zoos...

    There are many instances of people using nonhumanoid animals in various ways in Star Wars. In some cases, you might be able to argue that the people in question (such as the tusken raiders with the banthas) don't have much of a choice and actually take good care of the animals (and in that particular case, I'd agree), but in most cases, I'd say that that's not true.
    Most importantly, it's extremely rare for Star Wars to portray such exploitation as problematic (The case with the fathiers is the only one that springs to mind at the moment). In general, I think it's still seen as romantic when the hero rides a trusted steed into battle - and it will probably continue to be seen that way for quite a while.