ST Ian McDiarmid (Plapy) in Episode IX

Most everything I explained was from ROTJ- the Aftermath novel only shows the scene where Palps tells Rax about the shatterpoint and he commands him to move his personal SSD to the UR. That's what I love about where TROS seems to be heading because there is so much in ROTJ to support it not being as clean an ending as it seemed.

 

I see. So TFA, Star Trek, MI3, and Super 8 are retcons. Hasty generalizations are the stock-in-trade of hack writers.

 

Abrams has tremendous difficulty adapting his own ideas to existing infrastructure. MI:3 had several retcons when it came to characterization, so your own examples aren't exactly well-chosen; Abrams didn't write Star Trek, and Super 8 was an "original" (see: derivative) concept. He's intransigent, determined to contradict anything in his path if it means realizing his particular "vision."

 

I think what will be revealed is Palpatine created a number of beings, Rey, the kid with the broom and many others. He left them in unfortunate circumstances so they would either become stronger via overcoming hardship or else die off.

 

Interesting idea. And going by your theory, hardship in life giving them a reason to embrace darkness.

 

So there are retcons and contradictions in TFA.

 

I'm still hung up on the whole implication that Palp's survival/if he's a clone will be ambiguous. I do hope it's explained properly in the movie because as it's stands it sounds very convoluted.

*If he simply survived ROTJ then it opens up holes about the prophecy and the whole exploding into blue flames thing.
*But if he's a clone then why is he so old and scarred from the lightning in ROTS.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if there was no explanation.

 

I don't know if Plaguis reference is urgent but a cheating death reference certainly is. I mean, he did just that. Maybe only his own kin can kill him.

 

I'm not sure if Plagueis necessarily needs to be named outright, but the explanation for Palpatine's return must reference that he learned the power from his master, or from his Sith predecessors. The point of the rule of two, and the implication of the The Tragedy story is that the Sith have become increasingly powerful over a thousand years all building up to the culmination of their conspiracy, the destruction of the Jedi. That needs to come across one way or the other, and a direct reference to Plagueis is probably the easiest.

I'm still very supportive of the decision to bring him back, because it's a natural way to tie the saga together. As long as Luke and Anakin still participate in his final demise, then I think that is the correct way to finish off the saga, even if it's too late to save TFA and TLJ. If it can provide a decent explanation for Snoke and the origin of the FO then that's even better.

 

Gotta figure Sidious has learned more than Plagueis ever did by this point, he's had enough time and he's achieved more eilv-Sith-y-wise.

But yeah, some little vague line about being put on the path to immortality by his master would be cool. I just don't think Plagueis ever completed/had a total hold on the ability - if Palpatine's the "GFFA Satan" per George, stands to reason he's expanded on what he'd learned and achieved some stuff only he's ever managed to do.

 

Perhaps they will have a flashback of the Opera scene, just to remind the GA, because it seems to me that a lot of the fans here have completely forgotten about this insignificant aspect of the PT.

 

It still retcons ROTJ but now adds a retcon of ROTS on top of it.

Sorry but I think there is no logical way to explain Palpatine coming back that doesn’t impact the story of 1-6.

 

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Of course it does. Of course the entire ST lives on a retcon or ten, so why stop now?

 

He doesn't have to say the name Plagueis nor say he learned to cheat death from his master. Hell, knowing Sidious, he probably fed Plagueis the knowledge to cheat death in some elaborate plot that just kept him distracted until he was no longer useful. Palpatine just has to explain the dark side ability that helped saved him on the death star. That same ability could be an answer Kylo is looking for when it comes to how Snoke survived his own initial injuries. It also seems to be tied to Rey and her ability to heal giant worms.

 

Of course. He was previously dead. But not all retcons are inherently bad.

 

I didn’t say they were.

 

You seem to be representing them as a negative here.