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If the Clone Army was not discovered.

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by Twelve_Motion, Feb 6, 2003.

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  1. Twelve_Motion

    Twelve_Motion Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ok, so what if Obi-Wan never wen't to Kamino? What if he never discovered the army. What events would have transpired and how would have the war started.
     
  2. The_Anakin_Wannabe

    The_Anakin_Wannabe Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Sidious would have to find another way to get some one to discover the Army. If the army was never discovered then we had have a very very different saga.
     
  3. Bubba_the_Genius

    Bubba_the_Genius Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree that Palpatine would have found another way -- Dooku would have probably kept hiring Jango Fett for high-profile jobs, and Palpatine would have kept asking for the Jedi's help in finding the bounty hunter.

    Who attacked would have, perhaps, been a whole different story: Dooku's droid army might have pulled a suprise attack instead of the Republic's clone army mounting a pre-emptive strike. Either scenario would have led to Palpatine assuming emergency powers.
     
  4. Wait_Leia

    Wait_Leia Jedi Youngling

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    It was meant to be, fate if you will.
     
  5. Twelve_Motion

    Twelve_Motion Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think it's hinky that the Clone Army was ordered ten years prior. The vote to create an ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC was then approved, and BANG! We have the Clone Army.

    You would think that the vote would be approved THEN they would've ordered the army. But of-course if that happened they would have to wait ten years for the army, by then it would have been to late. Still I think it's weird.

    You got to wonder what the CIS would have used for leverage though if Obi-Wan had never discovered the army and gone to Geonosis.
     
  6. w0rf

    w0rf Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Please understand that this is all by design.

    Fact: Palpy is trying to seize power for himself.

    Fact: He staged the occupation on Naboo, and used the crisis as leverage to get Terrance Stamp pushed out so he could be Chancellor. It is believed he manipulated several senators to bend the vote his way, and we see him in Ep 2 tailed by Bail Organa, that three-eyed dude and some other senators in his entourrage.

    Problem: The Jedi are the peacekeeping force in the galaxy, and he cannot complete his conquest with them so close, and able to turn back the Dark Side.

    Solution: Military control.

    Problem: With the Jedi, the Republic has had no need for an army for a thousand years.

    Solution: Grow your own army in secret. In this case, send a Jedi, or a turned Jedi, or yourself posing as a Jedi, or something, and order it "for the Republic". Remove evidence of this proposition.

    Now what to do to make this army necessary....

    Have your new, not-in-two-pieces apprentice stir up an insurrection. And how better to spread a lie than by using the truth, a Sith controlling the Senate. Separatists will think they are acting for the good of the galaxy, the Trade Federation gets their payback, and Palpy gets to play both sides against the middle.

    Almost everything that has transpired in Episode 2 has come from these basic facts, and almost certainly been engineered by Palpy to seize control of the Republic.

    Amidala: Opposes the war. Well, a little attempt on her life, and she's out of the way, Obi-Wan has an excuse to FIND the army, Jar-Jar can be manipulated to grant Palpy the power he needs to use the army, it all comes together nicely.

    Anakin: Uber-powerful, big threat to Palpy. Take Anakin under his wing, feed him lies while seeming like a nice guy, feeding Padme to him, basically doing everything he possibly can to set him up for a fall.

    Meanwhile, the Jedi are going to be dragged into the Clone Wars, after which they will likely be hated by the public for seeming like puppets of the Senate, and distrusted by the Senate as their suspicion of Palpy grows. Throw in a nice new Death Star courtesy of the stolen plans from the Geonosians, and you have all the ingredients for Empire stew.

    The discovery of the Clone army was a necessary part of Palpy's plan, and one that he engineered in such a way that he accomplished multiple goals at once, with the manipulation of the right people at the right time.
     
  7. Palp_Faction

    Palp_Faction Force Ghost star 4

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    I don't think Palps intended the army to be discovered quite the way it happened. However, everything worked out ok for him in the end so it didn't really matter. I think his original plan was to have the army "discovered" at a later date. Either way, as far as the Kaminoans are concerned, the Jedi ordered the army and so Palps is entirely blameless.
     
  8. Twelve_Motion

    Twelve_Motion Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree with both statements.
     
  9. Punisher

    Punisher Jedi Master star 4

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    If the Clone Army was never dicovered Kamino would have had an awesome synchronized swimming team!
     
  10. Jedi_Benji

    Jedi_Benji Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The point is that it was discovered. I wonder why people post 'what if' threads but i spose people have diff opinions.
     
  11. Master Chbel

    Master Chbel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Either Jango was a poor bounty hunter or he was supposed to lead Obi-Wan (or some other Jedi) to Kamino. So, I think the clone army was discovered exactly on schedule and as planned.
     
  12. OBI-GYN_Kenobi

    OBI-GYN_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    >>>>If the Clone Army was not discovered

    What if GL wrote a different script?

    To quote Yoda, "There is no what if, only do GL's Script or do not." :D

    The whole point, as stated above, was to get a Jedi to trace the toxic dart back to Kamino.


    BTW, wOrf, excellent post.
     
  13. Twelve_Motion

    Twelve_Motion Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I like to talk about things that might have happend if the story took another path. If you dont, then don't post in my thread. :)

    ...anyway, I though it would've been intresting.
     
  14. Punisher

    Punisher Jedi Master star 4

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    They would have been dicovered eventually... someone would have had to pay for them, and I'm sure the Republic had an Accounting Office.

    I'm sure fully trained clones with all the accessories as seen in the film would have cost a few creds.
     
  15. OBI-GYN_Kenobi

    OBI-GYN_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    First of all, here's the problem:

    "Republic credits are worthless out here. I need something more real." - Watoo in TPM to Qui-Gon

    Now this is said on Tatooine, on 'The Outer Rim'.
    Kamino's BEYOND The Outer Rim, so Republuic Credits must be even worthlesser (I know, bad grammer).



    >>>> I like to talk about things that might have happend if the story took another path. If you dont, then don't post in my thread.

    But, I like to talk about not talking about things that might have happened if the story took another path since it CAN'T. ;)


    Here's one:

    What would happen if Jango missed with the toxic dart & hit Anakin? :D
     
  16. Punisher

    Punisher Jedi Master star 4

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    We have no proof that Republic credits were worthless to the Kaminoans.

    I'm sure they are flexible since they are running a business.
    Tatooine is just a backwards planet full of scum and slaves, I doubt people that were supporters of the Republic would go there.

    That would be like leaving Los Angeles, Washington D.C. or New York City to visit some small town in Tennessee, Alabama, or Mississippi!
    WHY?!
     
  17. OBI-GYN_Kenobi

    OBI-GYN_Kenobi Jedi Youngling star 3

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    We have no proof they are worth anything there either. At least I have a logical assumption.

    What does Lama Su do? Send Taun We to the Banking Clan to exchange the Republic Credits for Kamino Coins?

    BTW, Punisher:

    The sky is blue. :D
     
  18. NiktosRule

    NiktosRule Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Palpatine was going to make sure the Clone Army was discovered so there are no ifs about it. His plan wasn't going to fail.
     
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