For those fans who think the Saga is perfect, that is great! This thread is for those of us who have some problems with it as it came out. My question is, in your opinion, where did it go wrong? Where was the train derailed? I am not asking so much about scenes you might not have liked or thought could have been done better, but rather major plot points that took the story in the wrong direction. For me, Star Wars was as close to a perfect film as possible from this angle. While Empire Strikes Back is probably the best executed and acted of the lot, I think the story starts to go wrong here; while the "I am your father" line is great, this is where a great galactic story becomes a family story (which I, in the minority, I know, find disappointing)--it also leads to all of the "point of view" stuff which I find weak in the sequels and pathetic in the prequels. Also it is in Empire Strikes Back where the force ghost first appears physically: a can of worms that is never resolved in a saticefing way. For me also, it is here where the force becomes fantasy RPG style magic--telekensis, etc., which is somewhat disappointing. In the OT, other than Vader's hypnotic choke, Ben's powers of suggestion and Luke's good luck it is all very mysterious, culminating in Ben's "death". However, I still loved the story and where it was going. It was return of the Jedi where I think the train was derailed: I always hated Leia being Luke's sister, the uncreative re-hash of the Death Star and the Emperor being a force user/Sith Lord rather than a supreme bureaucrat like Tarkin, only more so. Largely, for all its faults, the PT had to be the way it was to justify these by then established Star Wars facts. What do other people think? As I said, if you find the saga perfect, I understand and respect that, but the point of this thread is to find out where people who find it flawed think it went astray.