Lit Ignorance is Bias: The Diversity Manifesto

Not to my knowledge.

And I have to admit that if I had that kind of power would I probably introduce somebody with physical disability (of the don't-need-a-wheelchair-kind) since I have a friend who has and she wants some more representation among superheroes.

Have to ask, why did you think of me regarding those two?

 

I kinda put some dots together. You made a post earlier about your story ASSEMBLE!, and I saw @QueerlyNerd mention that the characters were created by @kibblesmith and @LucianoVecchio, who I assumed was you due to a post on that twitter feed also talking about ASSEMBLE!

 

Sadly no. I'm nothing like that good or productive. I just like charing stuff I think other would like, and I happen to follow Luciano Vecchio on DeviantArt and he posted that page and I thought this thread would like .

 

The characters are, uh. Not being received well.

 

I tend to agree with a lot of the criticism. Which I hate, since I really like seeing representation of marginalized people in comics. But... c'mon. A cis white guy makes a black NB character literally called 'snowflake' with just an absolutely awful design? It's especially frustrating when random people on twitter can make their own infinitely better versions:

 

Yeah, the first person I saw mention it said the book sounded like a right-wing bigot's shallow parody, which... Yeah. "Snowflake" and "Safespace"? Seriously?

 

I guess it's a step up from a couple years back when Nick Spencer used woke buzzwords for a team of villains.

 

Holy ****.

 

Yeah, somehow I think I'll stick with DC's Bombshells instead...

 

I mean, it comes down to whether you'd have an earnest attempt done poorly or a parody... also done poorly.

 

Looks about as tastefully executed as I'd expect from the ground-blazing creator of Nazi Cap.

 

Like, yeah. I don't know why what I'm looking at is offensive, or whom it's trying to offend, but I'm pretty offended, and not being able to tell is a primary offense.

 

I saw a discussion about them on Scans_Daily that felt overall level headed.

Some of the points that was put up was: * that the original New Warriors was really as cringe worthy regarding their names when first introduced, so it could be a reference to that.
* That the creators, Daniel Kibblesmith and Luciano Vecchio, is a comedian and writer (Who wrote "Santa's Husband" and for Stephen Colbert), respectively an openly out gay Argentinian man - so it's likely that they are aware of the spaces they risk encroaching into.
* There was also lots of "this will date fast", and "How Do You Do, Fellow Kids: The Comic" style comments

the discussion I refer to happened here https://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/8755042.html#comments

Also do people still do stuff ironicly? I thought that went out of style with the last decade*

* [wrote he like he had any understanding of those kind of things]

Can't really call those "infinitely better versions", or even better, they are just different - not really better or worse.

Also, Luciano Vecchio ain't white by USA standard since he's from Argentina.

 

Huh? USA standard? He is a white Argentine.

 

To my understanding so do Latinos not count as white in USA, no matter their skin/hair colour. Or is have I understood it wrong?

 

Well, there is an attempt to distinguish them from Caucasian whites, such as White (Non Hispanic), at least from what I've seen on some forms.

 

If you're descended mainly from the European settlers, you're white. If you're descended mainly from the indigenous people, you're not. Like how Native Americans aren't white but the larger US population of European settlers are. It's the same thing.

 

I suppose you could present it back to back with Zootopia but the way some 'reviewers' on Amazon were complaining that Song of the South (or The Incredibles in one case) isn't on the Animated Disney Classic Blu-ray set, conveniently not having a problem with the absence of Mary Poppins or Pete's Dragon and the like, the negatives of people having easier access to it far outweigh the, well, not positives. Good intentions, I guess?

 

Tsk, tsk.

Are fans sure they want this woman playing a beloved character like Ahsoka?

 

Here's a bit more information on that. It's alleged so far (as is the casting, to be fair).

 

no thats not how it works spain is in europe

There are places in Mexico where people did not interbreed with nativos and it gets more typical the further down you go by south America Braliz itself has more whites then the US (Granted not latinos by their own claims Portuguese get touchy when you group them with spainards)

 

Wait why the heck are we back on this topic? We had like 3 pages of discourse in which I cited everything under the sun. Is that not good enough? As I concluded last time, the VAST majority of at least Americans from south american countries view their direct national heritage as what they identify as and not "latino".

And yeah Brazil's racial divisions make it interesting, but more or less they are arguably Latino but NOT Hispanic. But Latino and Latina are really more of a generic term and not as often strictly used to mean "comes from a country with a romance language in the americas. Then again the distinction works well cause it also covers French Guiana since they are americans who speak a romance language.

So the term broadly can apply to anyone including whites in those regions cause it is not like calling someone an african american, whose family is Afrikaner and moved after apartheid. Like yeah that doesn't apply, but that is not the situation with Brazil or Venezuela in which there are more segregated communities.

End of the day someone 100% can be a white Argentinian. It is not just genetics but who is passing. Even if they have some native or african blood, if they are majority hispanic or Portuguese they are white, and of course culture can push someone to one side or the other.

Our conventions are weird, but I don't even think this falls into that. This is easy to understand when one is familiar with the inequality, discrimination, history, and social structure of these countries.

One need only look at the divide of who is marching with Chavez and who is marching against just at a glance. There are PLENTY of people in south america who consider themselves white, look at the vitriol the coup monger said in Bolivia when she took control. These people regard themselves as being colonizers still, and in her case, outright regard people of any native decent as sub-human.

 

Based on that Antonio Banderas have been mistakenly been called actor of color and referred to as Latino do it seems that Native American blood have in practise nothing to do with it.

You are thinking of 'Hispanic' which refer to* Spanish speaking people, I said 'Latino' which refer to* people from Latin America
* to my (possibly faulty) understanding

Was it not Galadriel who said: "The memory of Man is short"? No, wait, I remember that wrong, it was "the hearts of Men are easily corrupted", so what she said has nothing to with this, I blame my bad memory

True, but we are not talking about what they identify themselves as, but what USA identify them as (I think, I'm not fully certain where this discussion have gone I admit, but that's where it started).

 

I would suggest "Explaining Race to Gamiel" as a spinoff thread but then we'd never see this one again.