PT Is it illegal to be a Sith ?

You should think about it. What Dooku and Palpatine told them is more than enough to raise an alarm, we’re not in disagreement about what the Jedi know, we’re pointing out that it’s completely reasonable to act on this information even if it’s not proven to be true

 

The Council dismiss Dooku's claims as lies, but are cautious about them, giving the gathering darkness. Then he is outed as Tyranus and now they realize that he was telling the truth the whole time. Then Palpatine outs himself and Mace realizes that Palpatine will soon make his move now that Grievous is dead. They connect the dots. Something investigators do.

 

FFS.

why are Dooku and Palpatine telling them these things? you've had 20 years to think about this.

 

Because the Jedi thought the Sith were going to just attack them head on. Their arrogance blinded them to the truth.

 

I think they meant us, the audience. The Jedi didn't have 20 years, they had maybe 3.

 

I'm confused about what you're asking.

I've had the impression that Dooku was telling it to Obi-Wan in order to try and sway him to his side, because he did want to kill Palpatine and take over in his place, as sith are one to do. But I also think this played into Palpatine's scheme as well, because by telling the jedi, the jedi react impulsively against Palpatine, and Palpatine can use it to make it look like an assassination attempt, and thus a reason to label the jedi as traitors and hunt them down, and also seed further instability for the republic to further justify imperial rule.

 

I don’t know why people who say the Jedi shouldn’t arrest Palpatine are arguing that the movies don’t make sense, rather than accepting what the story presents

 

so how does that fit into the Rule of 2 ?

 

The Apprentice finds a themselves an Acolyte to become their Apprentice, once they are ready to become the Master. Palpatine was ready to kill Plagueis, when he began searching for Maul. Vader learned of Luke and decided to use him to finally eliminate Palpatine. Obi-Wan refused and after Ventress and Savage were abandoned, he was told that Anakin was going to be pushed to join them.

 

The rule of two is just advice saying don’t train two apprentices at once lest they gang up on you and defeat you. That’s all. The Sith only follow it for selfish reasons.

The Sith apprentice is always trying to find a secret apprentice of their own to help them usurp the master. And once they become master they try to stop their apprentice from doing the same. It’s all self preservation, the rule of two is only followed because it protects you.

 

I find it funny, in a very entertaining way, how evil and selfish the Sith are.

The Sith perspective...

(1) Let's face it, we (the Sith) are 100% untrustworthy and 100% selfish and it is a stone cold lock that we will betray ANYONE we work with, work for, learn from, benefit from, at the first point where we even think we can gain an advantage from it. We're the worst.
(2) Given that, if there are more than two of us, it will INEVITABLY lead to wasteful, inefficient, self-destructive conflict that will totally thwart our ultimate ambition.
(3) Even when there are TWO of us, we will both perpetually be betraying each other, looking to "trade up", constantly. There will be ZERO trust between us.

Pathological doesn't begin to cover it. LOL

 

It's why supervillain team-ups don't work too well. They're always bound to fail because of greed. Go beyond that into the real world and look politics and corporate business. Two occupations where back stabbing is common due to ambition. Or the crime families where such betrayals become fatal.

 

Even ignoring what Dooku and Palpatine said, the Jedi have already reasons enough to raise an alarm.
The very fishy clone army and all the unanswered questions that are attached to that.
Palpatine's more and more obvious power-grabs. These at least, the Jedi notice, not so much with the clone army.
What are the Sith up to?
The Jedi know that the Sith worked with the TF in TPM. Have they questioned Nute about this? Why and how he got involved with the Sith? What did the Sith want? Help the TF to remove the Trade Tax? Why would the Sith care?

The Jedi have been reactive far too often and needs to be proactive. That does not mean, "run ahead with no plan." Which is what Mace did. What he should have done is a) warn the rest of the council. b) Consider HOW Anakin learned this. Palpatine told him and let him leave. So the Sith Lord that have been very good at hiding from the Jedi, just up and tells a Jedi who he is and then lets that Jedi leave. This screams of set up. Palpatine is goading the Jedi to do something rash. So doing something rash in response is falling for the very obvious trap. c) What if Anakin is wrong? If they act against an innocent Palpatine, the fallout could be very serious. d) Do they have enough to make the accusation stick? At present it is just Anakin's word against Palpatine. The Jedi should have considered that they have only one shot at this so they had better make sure then can hit the target.

Bye.
Old Stoneface

 

Exactly. So why are their enemy telling them what's going on?

 

They were telling part of what's going on, and the purpose is to sow confusion. Although in Dooku's case, he was actually trying to convince Obi-Wan to join him. But even then he only told him half truths.

That said, I don't think the Jedi were "blind by arrogance" since they were not assuming the Sith were going to behave in any particular way in their quest for power.

 

I've had the impression that Dooku was telling it to Obi-Wan in order to try and sway him to his side, because he did want to kill Palpatine and take over in his place, as sith are one to do. But I also think this played into Palpatine's scheme as well, because by telling the jedi, the jedi react impulsively against Palpatine, and Palpatine can use it to make it look like an assassination attempt, and thus a reason to label the jedi as traitors and hunt them down, and also seed further instability for the republic to further justify imperial rule.

 

Its more of a rite of passage, when the apprentice prevails at unseating the master, he or she or it is worthy and it is the Master’s duty to make it even harder for their apprentice thus creating stronger Sith.

 

Plageius died because (1) he let his guard down, and (2) he taught Palpatine everything he knew, so Palps felt the old man was no longer needed.

Palpatine died because, ironically, he let his guard down this one time after 24 years, but he was careful to not teach Vader everything he knew.

I always felt the idea was that once the Apprentice bumps off the Master, they do so because they found a weakness and know not to repeat the same mistake.

 

Indeed, the aim is the Perfect Sith, to learn from sum of all Sith mistakes and become “invincible.”