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Saga Is there a reason for the anti-droid racism?

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Darth DoJ, May 18, 2016.

  1. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    Some robots are closer to the least intelligent pets.

    Others are closer to the most intelligent, or beyond.

    L3 for example isn't exactly Lando's pet - she has more autonomy.

    And some droids are even independent, living the lives they choose, alone, like Highsinger the bounty hunter droid in TCW.
     
  2. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    Star Wars doesn't go into the nitty-gritty details of how droid programming works. We are left applying what we know about computers and robots to droids.
     
  3. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Degeneration is just a very... specific word to use. And one without a very good connotation.
     
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  4. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    And because they're played by actors, they show far more emotion than real robots can.

    Hence the presumption that Star Wars artificial intelligence is far in advance of ours.
     
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  5. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    Are you grumbling about the word "degeneration?" It seems like you are hinting at something without actually coming out and saying it.
     
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  6. Eike Starseeker

    Eike Starseeker Jedi Knight star 1

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    Jabba tortured his robots because they failed him and because he was evil, not because they are intelligent.

    Well some people In our world give their pets more rights too.

    You see this is exactly one of the things I mean.
    People are so weird nowadays, even about words.
    Degeneration is a normal word, If you had problems with it in the past, sad, but it doesnt justify to cancel it from the vocabulary
     
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  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    The point is - if droids are just tools, then by definition, they cannot "fail him" - and torturing them becomes pointless. If they cannot suffer, and can only mimic suffering, then all Jabba is doing is wasting valuable resources.

    I see Jabba as a bit smarter than that - he wouldn't waste time torturing his tools - only his slaves.
     
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  8. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Chosen One star 6

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    I'm saying the concept of pet might not be applicable in this case because our pets don't have human level intelligence.
     
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  9. Outsourced

    Outsourced Force Ghost star 5

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    Well do you want me to just come out and say that Degeneration is usually associated negatively with homosexuality? And considering we're talking about a very politically charged topic, it seems like something that should be brought up.
     
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  10. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    As starseeker said, it is a normal word with a non offensive meaning. I understood what he meant, and it didn't make me think about how that word has been used offensively in a totally different context than what was being talked about.
     
  11. Eike Starseeker

    Eike Starseeker Jedi Knight star 1

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    Maybe the word was often used to insult homosexuals in the past, but that was not always the case.
    Its a bit shortminded to reduce it on this one thing.
     
  12. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    Racism, discrimination...I prefer a SW where droids do not have race, ethnicity, gender, and real sexuality. Degeneration is used scientifically in words like macular degeneration for loss of eye sight.

    I think it is better that you said what bothered you.
     
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  13. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Anyway, surely only droids could be racist (or manufacturerist? modelist?) to other droids. As only humans can be racist to other humans. I don't know of a word that means discrimination and hate towards robots. A human could be specist towards trandoshans for example, but what are Yuuzhan Vong towards droids?
     
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  14. starfish

    starfish Chosen One star 5

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    The word you’re looking for is prejudice
     
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  15. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Force Ghost star 4

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    The title for this thread works better with prejudice. Giving droids gender, ethnicity, race, emotions, and procreation is a cheap inversion of what defines human beings. You can't paint gender, ethnicity, race, and emotions on to a blank canvas and claim they are not a projection of yourself.
     
  16. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I meant specifically towards robots. Towards animals is speciesism which would cover alien species too in star wars universe. I guess it would have to be something like lifeism. Biological lifeforms being lifeist towards a synthetic life.
     
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  17. BlackRanger

    BlackRanger Jedi Master star 4

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    Organicism? Biologism?
     
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