Saga Is there any difference between ST and PT hate?

Well it does from what is most important of all to Disney, as in making money.

TLJ happens. No one expects it to be TFA again but after a strong opening it has a Batman v Superman second weekend drop. It ends up making decidedly less than it should have probably leaving at least a couple of hundred million on the table worldwide. Solo comes out a few months later and is the first Star Wars movie to fail at the box office (that's even more so with the disastrous production and it's ridiculous budget).

How much TLJ factors into that we don't know but between TLJ's disappointment and fan backlash the perception is that it's pretty high. That ends the "anthology" movies and makes Disney pause the movies past TROS. That comes out and that perception of fan backlash and whatever effects it has coincides with audience reception so that the movie leaves conceivably over half a billion dollars on the table. If at any point they had hopes for another 2 billion dollar gross then it's just past half.

Rogue One making just under 1.1 billion was a great success. The end of a trilogy and end of a saga making that isn't. The MCU this is not. The movie franchise is going to have to be rebuilt.

 

A large portion of the PT...”disappointees”, for lack of a better word (the word “hate” is not appropriate for me)...were looking forward primarily to Episode 3 because the major events they’ve heard about since the beginning would take place. So the PT had the anticipation factor to buffer it’s less than stellar execution.

The ST, by contrast, didn’t have that cushion. If it’s execution was less than stellar, many fans would simply no longer have any interest in it.

 

Sure, but that's more about the backlash to TLJ being a bigger blow to Disney because of their corporate expectations. In terms of the overall culture I don't think it's comparable to what happened with the prequels.

 

I think the other thing to say is that the PT is usually either loved or hated collectively, because it all stems from Lucas. The reactions to the ST are far more splintered, a product of their tumultuous development. Yes, there are some who strictly love or hate all the ST, but then there are also those who just love TFA or just love TLJ. I've also seen those who only love the first two and hate TROS. And I think I've only seen one reaction from someone who solely loves TROS lol.

 

So @ThePostiveFan from another thread brought this up as a controversy for EMPIRE STRIKES BACK....in 1980

According to FanLore Wiki

This is what was going on in 1980...so...essentially...Star Wars has never changed..and this was Empire Strikes Back.

I repeat in 1980

 

Thankfully, Internet didn't exist back then.

 

This seems far more isolated then the PT/ST hate, especially considering how quickly these individuals walked back on there statement. It would be like RLM printing a retraction for their TPM review and then deleting their channel.

 

ESB wasn't very hated. I was actually alive back then.

 

To be fair, though, you were alive, but the internet wasn’t.

 

The critics hated it though.

 

Some critics may have but ESB generally got good reviews.

 

There is hate for everything on the internet. But if we are talking about public perception ESB was very well received. I like The Dark Knight Rises, but it is generally not seen as a good film compared to the other two.

 

Time magazine wrote up a multi-page article and put Vader on the cover. I remember one line of their review said something like, ESB is in many ways a better and more polished movie than SW, but as much fun it is not.

 

I think internett and media, helps the hate.

 

The cliffhanger ending and dark tone may have thrown some off. All 4 members of my family thought it was better than the first.

 

The internet is not needed to hate a movie, but when getting a sense of what the median response is across the viewership, it both affects and obscures the data.

In terms of it’s effect, like any language, online communication effects a viewer’s relationship to a movie but it does so within an atmosphere of intellectualized, rather than organic, responses. So the intellectualized responses are processed by and effect the recipient’s thoughts on the movie nearly as subconsciously as if it was an unfiltered conversation.

As for the data, it’s vastly more compelling to go online and share complaints you have than it is to point out positives, so we’re far more likely to get data that represents a critical consensus appearing as popular consensus than we are to actually get a popular consensus. Even fan message board polls only represent a cross section of fans that like to go on message boards rather than a true cross section of all kinds of fans.

 

Bingo.

 

Seems like the general consensus from people who dislike the PT is that the concept was great, but the execution was lacking.

With the ST it's generally the opposite, that the execution was pretty good, but the concept itself was poorly thought out and thus lacking.

 

i do agree, as the OP, that this is more or less the consensus.. but as someone who loves both, think it goes deeper on many levels

 

This is a good point. I think once TRoS was released, very few were happy with the entire trilogy.

I agree that this is the general consensus. For me personally though, I actually think that only TFA was well executed. I didn't like what TFA was trying to do, but I thought it did it very well. It's a good reboot/requel/remake, whatever you want to call it. I just don't think it's a good Episode VII, but then I don't think it was trying to be.

I also didn't like what TLJ was trying to do, but unlike TFA, I think the main idea for the story could have been vastly improved through execution. There are a lot of problems I had with the script that could have been worked out if more time had been spent on it or if another writer had taken a pass at it.

TRoS was just a mess in both concept and execution imo.

 

I was. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

TROS was rushed project, but i say an ok one, i liked it too.

 

yeh agree

 

I liked the ST including TROS even as much as I do the GL six films my only little gripe with TROS was the ressurection of Palpatine other than that I was fine with it as with the trilogy itself and also for the most part all my friends who grew up like me with the films from more or less the beginning are happy with the saga 1-9 as it is