Senate Israel/Palestine

This is a horribly obscene mentality that justifies mass oppression. This is a "sins of the father pass down the generations" kind of nonsense

 

That's Zionism at its core. It is built on the idea that people in the Bronze Age making a land claim through god MUST be given that land.

 

Anti Zionism is another Forum ,in fact A new forum anti semitism because it denies the Jewish people to have a country of there own,

I am a critic of Israel to, and Israel does have the right to exist like any country does regarding of them doing horrible oppressions of others.

Don’t forget that Israelis are also victims from Palestinian suicidal bombers too. A lot of children have died on both sides of the conflict.

 

Speaking as a Jewish anti-zionist: no it ****ing isn't.

 

So, what is your plan, then, regarding the populations that live on the territories you declare should be fully annexed? Expel them and let them die out elsewhere? Keep them as non-citizen labour? Sterilize them and let them die out? Exterminate them? Brainwash them? Remember, the result of your plan has to be they get nothing.

 

But Israel does have the right to exist like any nation and Palestinian do have a right for statehood too. I am Jewish too.

 

I think you missed the whole......history and context thing.

While wrong, WHY do you think Palestinian bombers exist? It is not in a vacuum. Israel is a state, a colonial one at that. Like any other state is is subject to atrocities, ones that it continues to commit on a regular basis. Regular bombing of civilians using top of the line missiles, and then having a few makeshift bombers in kind is not gonna make me say both sides are equal.

You are essentially comparing responses to repeat invasions, annexations, and literal apartheid; to how the US and Japan treated one another in the Pacific. Suicide bombings pail in comparison to the literal apartheid and constant military action against civilians.

Ethnostates are not morally ok, Israel a state can exist, having an ethnostate that commits flat out crimes against humanity on a regular basis and is holding a large population hostage is NOT just another state. No one is exempt from international law, or rather, no one should be.

It does not have the right to literally decide its own borders and put millions under apartheid, and frequently disobey the UN. It is not functioning as a state, it never has,it operates as a colonial power in the old sense of the term. Literally targeting food and water resources, settling on land they agreed was not theirs previously, killing civilians en mass, and again literal apartheid.

A state has the right to exist, this state as is does not have the right to do whatever it wants and openly commit ethnic cleansing.

The more and more look into the history, the more unjust it is. You can hardly even say it is a "Jewish state" when they kept massacring other Jews, or treating them as second class citizens. Or ya know, forcibly sterilizing Ethiopian Jews and pushing flat out Nazi stuff about the Diaspora Jews. Like that is a consistent thing, especially for the first half a century, this bigotry towards diaspora. Things like Yiddish became frowned down upon, and the Mizrahi were treated as second class citizens.

David-Ben Gurion, former Israeli PM called Holocaust survivors "human dust" and "a pathetic and helpless people" and tried to wash away who they are to fit an ethnostate vision.

The book "The lemon tree" gives some interesting insight into that stuff, particularly about the "Sabra Jew" and how that image was used to shame diaspora and Holocaust survivors.
https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Lemon_Tree/wox0nx7QbQwC?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq= diaspora

 

I agree, but the Palestinian insurgents like Hamas and fatah want to kill every Israeli Citizens in the country including children.

Hamas hates all the Jews.

 

And who exactly set up Hamas to win in the first place to weaken the PLO and also shot down the favorable peace deals Hamas made? Oh wait it was Israel. If Hamas wanted to kill everyone, why do they keep trying to make agreements that end up tossed aside without even letting Israel's people actually get involved and not just the military?

Beyond that, Hamas is wrong, but also not the ones with top of the line weapons. The IDF has been committing genocide since before Hamas was a thing, and to try and use the desperate, israeli supported in the past, reaction as a justification for literal apartheid and ethnic cleansing is sickening.

Every treaty has been thrown out or betrayed to make room for the next land grab, Palestinians have never had anything to bargain with, always being forced to concede at gunpoint....only for the concessions to still not be enough. So awful labor conditions in Israel for Palestinians are the best they can hope for? That or be killed? The existence of Hamas not only doesn't justify the IDF, the IDF's crimes against humanity are why Hamas gained power. Both through a means of subverting the PLO and then through the IDF and the US deciding to carry out a coup after Hamas was elected as intended.

Hard to both sides things when the insurgency are a reaction to ethnic cleansing.

Here is a Jew and Palestinian talking about the issue, pretty important to hear the voices, and know the desperation in which people live, whilst a massive military power has missiles pointed at their heads and has been shown to never face any reprimand for war crimes even when the UN says they are doing so.

Honestly this whole thing just hurts Jews and Israel itself. This is not tenable. And the world is beginning to see the atrocities, American Jews have radically shifted to being pro-Palestine. I want a one-state solution, but this series of broken deals and war crimes all fed by US hegemony of course, is untenable and going to hurt everyone. If South Africa could be freed, then the same can happen in Palestine, but that requires trust, trust not given by the very side that provably breaks agreements time and again.

That is not on the Israeli, just as Hamas is not on the Palestinians. But it is the state of...well the state

 

I'd like to see the defenders in this thread of the inherently totalitarian ideology of socialism tell the family of this man that the Palestinian Arabs are "inherently good people who just want a state of their own!"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Klinghoffer

And by the way, in actual apartheid South Africa, the black South Africans could not vote and stand for election. Arab Israelis can.

 

go away thx

/heels

 

How about we all just click "Report" on that post?

 

You insulted me first, remember?

 

This is racism.

 

Sign me up, I will tell this person that Palestinian Arabs are inherently good people, just like any other race. Stop posting racist trash.

 

Some is Israelis, especially Netanyahu are racists but it’s dead language because Russia oppressed the Jews during the times of the Soviet Union and Nazi germany did the same thing as well.

And don’t forget the Romanovs too. Cossacks also killed 3.5 millions Jews after the October revolution and before the holocaust. That’s a total of 9 million Jews murdered.

That’s my point about Yiddish being a dead language. And Yiddish might of been banned too in Israel.


And going back to the Israeli/Arab conflicts, many Palestinians on there side have also been trying to cause ethnic genocide too against Israeli citizens as well. Many supporters of Hamas, Fatah, and Hezbollah have said in hateful speech’s that they want to throw the Jews into the sea.[/QUOTE]

 

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When I said dead language I meant Yiddish guys. I didn’t have time to edit.


Anyways I hope for peace between Israel and the arabs.

 

The U.S. helps fund Israeli apartheid with billions of dollars annually. U.S. law enforcement often receive training from Israel. The connection could not be more obvious.

 

I can't push a "like" button on this. But this is why I think Israel has already been an Apartheid state for a long time.