ST It wasn't All Bad

I agree with this. I think the people who were disappointed with the ST will remain that way for the most part. I mean, even TROS is over two years old now. If these episodes were going to "grow" on people at all after time and additional viewings, they would have done so by now.

However, I think what WILL happen after a decade or two is that as younger generations experience the Skywalker Saga as a whole for the first time, without any preconceived expectations for what the story should have been, they will accept them more readily the way they are. Basically going into it with an open mind and a wholly unbiased point of view.

 

“Two were made” and Luke raising the X-Wing still gets to me. I’m listening to the soundtrack right now and it is pretty moving.

It just felt so redemptive and final.

 

All definitely good points. I would add though that over time, the ongoing influence of the whole "don't bother watching this one-for these reasons" crowd (basically older fans that influence younger individuals with their own previous likes/dislikes) will inevitably dwindle as the years go by and the disconnect between what future youngsters like and what current adults and older fans who were around for the OT releases grows wider and wider. Between that and the simple fact of people moving on to other things in life in the years following the release of the ST, I think we'll see less and less influence, allowing younger generations to truly form their own opinions-unaware of the initial reactions of those films upon their respective releases.

What I'm REALLY hoping is that in the next decade or so, we experience some entirely new, unprecedented culturally-influencing film franchise that we've never seen before. Basically something entirely new, that had all of the cultural effects that SW had, which would breathe new life into the film industry-after years of mostly derivative and unoriginal slosh. We never know what the future may hold, after all!

 

alright thxs and i will respect your poinbt as well

 

agreed

 

Not everything marvel studios does is gold either. You could argue that Star Wars on the small screen has been consistently better overall than Marvel. That's not to say that Marvel haven't been great at times but I prefer star wars than marvel.

 

It doesn't matter how the ST ended, it was always gonna be overshadowed to point by the tv shows and spin-off mores. thats more about filling people's heads with too much Star Wars. The ST was never gonna have that moment because Disney wouldn't give them time to have that moment. same wth alot of Star Wars as of late.

But at the same time, that might be in the ST's favor. Because unlike the PT, its not carrying a weight for years to come.

 

That sounds like bias to the dislike then facts. Filoni and Faveru simply have plans and Disney not forcing Grogu from Luke. And they want to explore the 30 years gap for now until they revisits the ST characters. Filoni likes the ST by the way. Remember we still not gotten anything prequel content orher then Clone Wars. And MCU has been Subpar since Endgame. The new sith novel comes out soon. I think some fans just jump the guns sometimes.

 

Yeah, why make money on movies now, when they could just wait a decade and make movies in 10 years. Sounds like a great business plan. That's exactly how Hollywood behaves. Totally normal.

lol

If Disney was sure of SW making movie money, they'd be putting out movie after movie after movie right this very second. And yet, their only SW announced movie has been shelved indefinitely.

These are not confident actions. Nor are they 'we're following a plan'. It's crap...we have no clue what to do now'.

Hollywood doesn't wait. Unless something is deeply wrong.

 

Star wars is special events, not Marvel. And thats why it takes so long, they want it to feel special. Tv shows they can do and not make the magic dissappear. Disney and LFL is vety portective of the brand. And who id to say they are not already making plans. Mandalorian is but first step in that dirction.

 

I finally bought TROS on Blu-Ray but mainly for completist purposes.

 

Star Wars WAS special events. 40-20 years ago. This is a business. It's about making money. Disney had no intention of only putting out SW special movies once a decade. Up until TLJ, SOLO, they were careless, and filled with hubris, and very eager to make movies (ie: money) on a timescale just like Marvel, or any other successful franchise for that matter. They're not making movies because they suddenly think SW is special and only hits theaters once every 15 years. You're fooling yourself otherwise, and inventing excuses.

 

As much as they tried to make TROS like End Game, it just couldn't be End Game. So its not really the same thing. Star Wars is just different to the Marvel. For one thing the Marvel movies keep moving forward in the same period interconnected and building from. While Star Wars shifts investments constantly from era to era. There was no way the ST could fee

Disney always had it planned for multiple spin offs throughout many eras. so why the ST characters have yet to appear again isn't a shock. even as far back as TFA when they were startin these plans.

Then it doesn't make much sense why they gave Grogu to Luke in the first place. Its fairly obvious they didn't want to keep the show going without Grogu. Simple as really. there was 25 years of time. there was no rush really.

 

It's special all right. But I was more simply referring to the nature of SW movies up until Disney came along, where the OT came out in the 70s-80s, and the PT, in the early aughts. And that was pretty much it, movie wise. Special events blockbusters, where you needed to go because you're likely to never see it in theaters again.

Disney certainly wanted movies coming out every damn year. Not every other decade.

 

Even TFA wouldn't have led to a good End Game. Keeping the characters together like Rey and Finn constantly like you would have preferred wouldn't have led to an End Game. TLJ did nothing in that regard. TFA was a reboot that later regretted being a reboot. Disney were not in that frame of mind to make End Game until TROS

Well thats purely based on opinion. Which is fandom in general. And no one was happy in the end. People who think Ben Solo was gonna fade jump to bump Finn up? come on dude.

But it really isn't. there is 25 years of time to go through. Grogu could have stayed with Luke for 2 years? 2 years is nothing. He basically only stayed with him maybe a few months because they couldn't have series 3 without Grogu. Which made giving Luke Grogu a waste of time.

it is to a point. But it doesn't have the same hook considering we just see Boba team up with him in Series 2 and then we see Din in Boba Fett a year later. Even if they made a event series bringing them all together like The Defenders. It would never be endgame. They haven't done that good of a job when it comes to using characters sparingly. That joy of seeing characters interact for first time is very diluted.

I actually think Obi Wan could end up a better event series than the Mandoverse. Obi Wan will be bring several eras together.

 

I don't think you can really compare star wars with marvel. Despite the fact star wars is 45 years old this year some marvel.charscters are going a lot longer and are synonomus with comics and the history of comics. Kids dream of being a superhero more then being a jedi Knight or an x wing pilot. Peter Parker can be any kid, who doesn't want to have the strength of the hulk or flying around like Iron man. There is more universal appeal with marvel then star wars despite the fact star wars is huge too.

I did think infinity wars was better then endgame. I thought of age of ultron was boring as was the first avengers. There's simply too many thor films but I enjoy the spiderman movies.

The quality of marvels output since endgame hasn't been as good as the last few movies but they trade off on the marvel name much the way star wars did the same for years. The ST has tarnished the star wars name for some and the solo movie added enough salt to the wound to force disney to call a halt to their star wars movies output.

If the powers that be had the testicular fortitude to do an old Republic trilogy and spin offs from that we might be back in business. Sadly I don't think Disney have the grapes lol

 

Of course you can compare them. This isn't about quality or style. DLF originally wanted to pump out at least 2 Star Wars movies a year. The GFFA is already an interconnected franchise universe. Way way back there was talk of a Fett movie, a Yoda movie. RJ's trilogy. Rogue Squadron. And a few other nameless movies as well.

I don't think its fair that fans can now just say "oh Disney never meant to make that many SW movies".

Nah. Their movies 'bombed' or almost destroyed the fandom and now Disney has no clue what to do, movie-wise. Not producing movies hasn't got anything to do with SW is special. The D+ stuff is being pumped out because it's tested and they trust creative team in place. If they trust the movie team, they'd be pumping out movies left and right.

 

Exactly. I think Merriam Webster should put the LFL “creative” movie team in for the definition of “hubris.” They thought they knew better than the creator and made so many unforced errors, it’s astounding. I’m waiting for someone to write a book or at least a podcast. But of course, most of the film sites that might do that are such RJ fans and still post about how fantastic TLJ was, it’s going to take a renegade to get the story out.

 

Marvel has had much more live action TV output than Lucasfilm. And whilst, as a SW fan, I’d say that The Mandalorian has been the best Disney+ show, Marvel’s TV content has been solid/good (IMO), and has been more frequent. However, the biggest difference (in terms of reach etc.) is obviously the cinematic content, which has underpinned Marvel’s success over the last decade or so. In comparison Lucasfilm’s live action films have been largely misjudged, which resulted in the current hiatus. I think that was a big mistake. The big question now (which causes a dilemma for Disney) is, with all the SW TV shows currently in development, will the economic downturn have an impact on Disney+ subscriptions? Will Disney perhaps put SW TV shows, not currently in production, on hold? I think that’s likely.

Do you need counselling/therapy?

 

The first act of TFA might be the best part of the trilogy. Spellbinding stuff!