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JCC ITT Unpopular but Correct Opinions

Discussion in 'Community' started by solojones, Apr 4, 2019.

  1. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    @harpua
    Horrors and porn might be too much, I will agree with that.
    Still, I'm not sure why in my childhood everything except Bambi was always so cheerful.
    And it hasn't always been like that. My mother well remembers that she was very young when she got familiar with Little Women, Cuore, Little match girl and The Paul Street Boys. She grew up way better than I did.
     
  2. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    lol, they didn't watch actual porn with me-it was movies like Revenge of the Nerds and Purple Rain.
     
  3. darth_gersh

    darth_gersh Force Ghost star 7

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    I refer to coworkers kids as excuses at work.
     
  4. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    What do you refer to yourself as?
     
  5. I Are The Internets

    I Are The Internets Shelf of Shame Host star 9 VIP - Game Host

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    What does that even mean?
     
  6. darth_gersh

    darth_gersh Force Ghost star 7

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    Picking up the slack for coworkers because they have to attend to their kids/excuses.
     
  7. solojones

    solojones Chosen One star 10

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    Um, people should definitely be able to leave work to attend to their kids. I don't have kids and don't want kids, but I think it's stupid to resent people who do want kids. Weirdo.
     
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  8. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    Nah, we should just stop reproducing and let humanity die like McConag.. uey? says in True detective.
     
  9. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I think that depends on the childhood and the desires of the child - "Code of a Hero" from Beast Wars where Dinobot dies like a boss is still a defining cartoon episode of my childhood, as are those Spiderman TAS episodes where things went bad, and Batman Mask of the Phantasm, where Batman doesn't manage to save either the Phantasm or their victims. So I think at least *my* childhood had a broader range of material other than relentlessly cheerful.

    The main thing was... what actually entertains a kid?

    I mean, yeah, I watched Bambi like twice as a kid (at least), but I never sought it out again, because I found it boring compared to other Disney fare... and I don't think I was alone there. Some of the "cheerfulness" in kid's entertainment is out of a desire to have kids actually enjoy watching it, and there's a presumption that's requires a happy and cheerful ending.

    Now, I would argue *that* is also a false presumption, as those darker, less cheerful and more bittersweet cartoons I watched as a kid demonstrate, or as Disney and Pixar's own willingness to wantonly abuse the audience's emotions with stuff like the first five minutes of UP would testify.[face_devil] But on the other hand... I'd argue that works in part because those films use the right kind of tragedy, the epic and powerful, rather than the wrong kind of tragedy, the banal and disappointing, or offset it with something entertaining alongside it for kids.

    The truth is that satisfying storytelling, especially for kids, is trickier than any simple answer. For instance, I'd argue Revenge of the Sith is much more of an outright tragedy than The Last Jedi... but that you can make a lot of money and generate a lot of interest with a dark premise where a hero becomes a murderer who catches on fire and gets his limbs chopped off, while you can't do the same for an old dude being a failure and dying. The types of tragedy in both films is radically different.

    Similarly, The Little Match Girl is moving... but I don't think a kid would be more inspired or likely to reread or rewatch it if they had Guardians of the Galaxy 2 next to it, which would also move them, but offer simply more satisfactory elements as well.

    (Yes, I seriously love GOTG2.)
     
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  10. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    GOTG2.... Is it the one with Kurt Russell ? I have a mental condition that prevents me from distinguishing one Marvel movie from the other.
     
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  11. PCCViking

    PCCViking Chosen One star 10

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    Yep. His character has a planet sized Ego. :p
     
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  12. MotivateR5D4

    MotivateR5D4 Force Ghost star 5

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    Coming to a Star Wars universe near you!
     
  13. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    It's also the one that made a blue-skinned-mechanical-mohawk-wearing alien played as a space trucker thief saying "I'm damn proud you were my boy" into a heartbreaker.
     
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  14. PCCViking

    PCCViking Chosen One star 10

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    And who also thought he was Mary Poppins. :D
     
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  15. 3sm1r

    3sm1r Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't remember that, but I do remember the initial scene with the monster and the camera focusing on the young tree.
     
  16. Coruscant

    Coruscant Chosen One star 7

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    GotGV2 is a snoozer of a film with a bloated, overlong climactic action sequence that stops the pacing of the film dead.

    Not sure if that’s an unpopular opinion or not
     
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  17. Adam of Nuchtern

    Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost star 6

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    My take on GOTG 2 is that the dramatic beats work better than they do in the first one, because they feel more organic, whereas the ones on the first film felt like Gunn checking things off of a list. On flipside, the humor is overall weaker, especially Drax's interactions with Mantis, which felt like Gunn taking the first film's "green whore" moment and quadrupling down.
     
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  18. Rogue1-and-a-half

    Rogue1-and-a-half Manager Emeritus who is writing his masterpiece star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    GOTG 2 is for sure not as funny as the first one or as energetic; it does have the better tear-jerker moments of the two.

    I think Drax has actually been pretty poorly done since the first movie. In the first movie, all of his comedy was very organic and based in character, but in the ensuing films they turned him from being a guy with a very particular flaw in his thinking into a guy that's just a moron. Like the Drax in the first movie would never think that a creature's skin would be thinner from the inside than the outside. That . . . literally goes against everything they established about the way he perceived the world in the first one.

    And don't get me started on that ******* invisibility scene in Infinity War.
     
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  19. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    I have a problem with how Drax is...styled? Someone give me a better word. He's Drax the Destroyer, but in the first film is nothing but destroyed.
     
  20. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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    He's played by a wrestler so I assume it's like a wrestler's name. The Undertaker is not actually an undertaker and the Rock is not a rock.
     
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  21. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It’s because he’s a human who was put into a new body that was essentially an engine of destruction with the sole purpose of killing Thanos, and since everybody involved was ripping off the New Gods and it was cosmic Marvel they had to give him a bombastic style. They kept it for the movie, which retains none of these plot points, because the whole name is the trademark. :p

    Um... and I guess the unpopular but correct opinion accompanying that is maybe deliberately over-the-top characters from the 1970s and 1980s have aged more poorly than their corporate owners want to admit.
     
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  22. Diggy

    Diggy Chosen One star 8

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    To counter, The Ultimate Warrior was indeed the Ultimate Warrior.
     
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  23. MrZAP

    MrZAP Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Late to the party on A Christmas Story, but I wanted to defend it a bit. It's a treasured movie from my childhood and beyond that I always enjoyed watching with my family, or by myself. It's in my top 20 movies of all time. The main thing is it wasn't a TV movie in our house. I'm sure I caught bits on TV sometimes, but we always watched it on VHS, maybe once a year or less. And my dad, who grew up in a time and place similar to the movie, could give commentary on the setting and circumstances, which was interesting. And I related to a lot of the broad stuff myself, if only updated by a few decades. I think it's a great snapshot of the time, funny and playful, and a good commentary on the kind of Christmas that is celebrated by secular folk like my own family.

    And I was prepared to say it was the best Christmas film of all time, except

    Oof. Correct. 100%. Can't get better than that.
     
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  24. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Also, in the fiction, The Undertaker is an undertaker. ... Who is also an undead wizard, coffin maker, and sometimes he moonlights as just some guy with bad tattoos on a motorcycle.
     
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  25. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Superhero movies are terrible and stupid.
     
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