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Amph James Cameron's Avatar (Sequels in production for 2021, 23, 25, 27)

Discussion in 'Community' started by Clonuscant, Jan 8, 2007.

  1. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    I'm not overlooking it, I merely think it goes without saying.
    I mean, sure, Disney will continue to profit from its theatrical releases once they make their way to Disney+ (as will all other studios). But I assumed everyone already knows this, so no reason to point it out. [face_dunno]

    Obviously the big question will remain what goes straight to streaming and what merits a theatrical debut. Even Amazon is fidgeting with their long-standing strategy, as was shown with The Report and The Aeronauts.

    Everyone is trying to see what works best. It's going to be a while before things settle down.

    I enjoyed Hugo and the Jurassic Park and TPM conversions. Other than that there hasn't been much.
     
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  2. Bilbo Fett

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    True. But a lot of that is going to ride on the ability of studios to accurately measure the value individual titles bring to their services. I mentioned in the TROS box office thread that Netflix has an algorithm that does that but it took them years of data mining to build and who knows how accurate it is. It doesn't help that they're so secretive with their viewership numbers. But it's why so many of their series get canceled after 3 seasons; the algorithm has determined that most shows start to decrease in value after their third season.

    Yeah I'd say Avatar utilized it the best of any movie I've seen in 3D (which isn't a lot. I'm just not a fan of the format.). I enjoyed it enough at the time, for a relative novelty. Doctor Strange is probably a close second. That movie had some great sequences for it though.
     
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  3. Bilbo Fett

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    dp
     
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  4. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    Even Avatar didn't look half as impressive as some classic 1950s movies that were filmed in early 3D, if you watch them in a revival theatre.
     
  5. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    Well my first 3D movie experience was Jaws 3D. Avatar beat the pants off that one.
     
  6. Princess_Tina

    Princess_Tina Chosen One star 7

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    No reason to expect otherwise, the 3D being used in the 80s was mostly crap. But try to watch a 50s 3D movie, being shown with dual projectors, and it will probably be the most amazing 3D experience of your life.
     
  7. vin

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    My first in theater 3D experience was also Jaws. It confused me when the glasses were gray. Previously I had only seen The Creature from the Black Lagoon at home in 3D with the red and blue glasses.
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    It all depends on the tech, presentation and how the film was shot. Something shot in natural 3D will look better than something converted (especially anything done in the first few years after or before Avatar), even though you can get some great 3D conversions now. But screen it on a non-IMAX screen or something not projected properly bright enough and it'll all look bad.

    TPM wasn't shot with much depth of field so its 3D version wasn't that good beyond the all-CG podrace sequence and some of the wider space shots. But ROTS wasn't shot like that and, on top of that, they intentionally worked to use the 3D effect as a tool to direct audience focus through things like the Battle of Coruscant. As a result, it was a much more impressive 3D experience.

    Jurassic Park was also shot with a crap ton of depth of field with a lot of foreground and background staging. So when the 3D version came out a few years ago it was mindblowingly stunning in 3D- if you didn't know better you would have sworn the film was shot in 3D to begin with.

    IMAX tends to be much more effective, though- sometimes too effective. Even though they didn't screen the movie itself in 3D at the full size IMAX in Lincoln Square, they did screen the trailer for it there in 3D and I think I almost went crosseyed at how extreme the effect was (but I may have been sitting too close).
     
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  9. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I really liked the original Avatar 3D. Most of the 3D after I liked as well. I saw Rise of Skywalker in 3D but nothing jumped out at me as visually amazing in that regard.
     
  10. tom

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    sounds like quite a letdown.
     
  11. Bilbo Fett

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    Oh and on the subject of calculating the value of streamed content:

     
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  12. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    AI choosing what films to greenlight? The Terminator franchise has hope after all!
     
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  13. BigAl6ft6

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    "Bob, this AI keeps punching out 'Terminator 7' over and over and over."
    "Hit it with a wrench!"
     
  14. Princess_Tina

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    [Heavy Austrian accent] Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!! [/Heavy Austrian accent]
     
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  15. The2ndQuest

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    The Sequels Have a Combined Budget of Over $1 Billion.

    So, each basically averages out to be over $250m. For comparison, the first film's budget was $237m. Factoring in, also, is that that is with the cost savings of filming multiple films at once plus the New Zealand filming incentives.

    Which means that, even with inflation, they're pumping a lot into these films- likely much more than what went into the first film. One imagines that the scale will be massive.

    I mean, I guess it's no surprise- Cameron's films have often broken various budget records over the past few decades.
     
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  16. Princess_Tina

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    If people haven't come back to cinemas in sufficient numbers by the time these movies open, it might be impossible for them to make their money back.
    These films really depend on huge ticket sales in cinemas.
     
  17. The2ndQuest

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    They won't be 2009 levels of attendance but, by xmas 2021, the likely availability of a a vaccine will certainly ease a significant amount of unease and restrictions over public gatherings. Even at reduced attendance levels, in a worst case scenario, they'll probably make the budget back for all four films with only two films (likely one film).

    Not to mention, ultimately, it's more important to Disney for the content to help support the Pandora theme park area, as that'll influence 10-20 years of theme park attendance revenue.
     
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  18. Princess_Tina

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    But that's just the thing, we don't know for a fact that there will be a vaccine. It might happen by then, or it might not, there's absolutely no way to predict it.
    They still don't have a vaccine for AIDS, so there's definitely no reason to believe scientists can come up with a vaccine for every virus.
     
  19. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Well, like I said, "likely". Most reports have estimated 12-18 months is the development time for one normally and there seem to be inroads of progress towards the goal already. Obviously, I'm no expert, so I can't say with certainty- but this seems to be a more traditional virus compared to something like AIDS (ie: something that can be fought with an immune system vs something that diminishes the immune system), so I wouldn't consider that a baseline comparison for expectations.

    Even with that aside, anything scheduled for xmas 2021 is in a far better off position in terms of likely public access and attitudes. And, even then, if attendance remains low due to paranoia or lack of a vaccine, my original point still stands that the Avatar films will be in a much better off place given their costs can be spread across not only the gross of 4 different films but half a decade.
     
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  20. Glitterstimm

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    Whether he deserves it or not, I think Cameron will get praised for resurrecting worldwide cinema after the pandemic.
     
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  21. The2ndQuest

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    Cameron, Landau and foreign crew have arrived in New Zealand to begin their mandated isolation period, in advance of resuming production on the sequels. They were apparently able to circumvent the closed borders through an economic clause.

     
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  22. VadersLaMent

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  23. Luke02

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    New Zealand, Antarctica and space. The three places we know of that does not active cases of COVID-19.
     
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  24. I Are The Internets

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    My apartment too! They could've filmed here :(
     
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  25. Tython Awakening

    Tython Awakening Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    James Cameron and these Avatar sequels are like how Lucas was in the late-70s planning out SW films.
     
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