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Discussion James Mangold’s First Jedi Film

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by Darth Chiznuk, Apr 7, 2023.

  1. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    We know this movie will film in 2026 from rumors and leaks
     
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  2. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I can't see this happening, less Jedi the better. I mean it worked better in the movies when the jedi were this 'mythical' thing we knew little about. If you then try and do a story about the actual myth it's just gonna be disappointing.
    And I think they'll realise this before going into production and it'll get canceled.
     
  3. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I mean December is almost a year away so they have time.
     
  4. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    This is why we can't have nice things. There's no progress because people get thoughts like "formula", "less is more", "mystery" and "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" in their heads. They just keep doing the same things over and over, then people start to lose interest because there's nothing new and TPTB think they've strayed too far from the original formula and have to return to the roots to win the fans back :oops:

    An artist should never let fear of failure hold them back. If they have interesting ideas for the origins of the Jedi, they should just go for it.
     
  5. EHT

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    Right, and that's only a month before the previously reported 2026 timeframe.
     
  6. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    This is the mindset that is holding the franchise back. Take risks, like with origin of the Jedi.
     
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  7. Othini

    Othini Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Not a big fan of the PT then i assume, which tried to explain everything.

    Look, i do understand your view here, and i also sort of agree with it. Leave it mystical, let it be a myth etc.
    But at the same time, the same week Mangold is quoted that he is not interested in doing Star Wars movies that does not allow freedom within the established lore and not being able to create something new from a blank page as a filmmaker - its just not a very good deal for a true creative and visionary artist. The Star Wars timeline should be maintained, almost like a religious concept of continuity, but outside of that: You have to give writers and directors some freedom. Its not the wrong ideas that would kill a Star Wars movie. Its the bad ideas. You have to take that risk.
     
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  8. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    you do know this is Disney right?
     
  9. Bor Mullet

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    Mangold should take inspiration from 2001: A Space Odyssey. The opening scene should be a bunch of space-chimps using lightrocks to smash things, until a massive lightsaber stuck in the ground appears one day. Smash cut. Dawn of the Jedi.
     
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  10. EHT

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    Chimp kills opponent with bone, throws bone into air, slow motion spinning bone transitions into lightsaber.
     
  11. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Sounds like the original opening of TFA. :p
     
  12. Siphonophore

    Siphonophore Chosen One star 5

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    If you do an image search for shillelagh, you'll find they're not all walking stick length. Some are hammer mallets, some are clubs, and some are even flails.
    Most shillelaghs have a knobby end to clutch in one's hand, but it could also have enough material to bore out and install a crystal that is activated by one's Force powers, unlocking the crystal's potential and emitting a blade. So, the blade would emit from the top of the knobby end, while the user grappled the lower end of the "walking stick", like a boat's tiller. Perhaps the stick could be carefully bored out in order to insert a Force conductible rod, allowing the user to hold any part of the stick in order to keep the blade activated. Or, if several strips of wood are softened with steam, making the wood more pliable, in order to weave the strips around a metallic core, the crafter can exhibit their own artistic style to make their weapon unique.
     
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  13. Bor Mullet

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    Man, I’m still so bummed that they didn’t go with the path of the blue lightsaber (from Bespin to Maz?) opening.
     
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  14. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    The opening will be the creation of a new world with help from ancient beings, like magical elves.
     
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  15. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I love the TFA opening. The Star Destroyer eclipsing Jakku's moon is a brilliant visual.
     
  16. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    Yes. The earlier ideas for TFA were so much more compelling than what we ended up getting IMO.
     
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  17. Bor Mullet

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    It’s OK. The very opening visual ain’t bad. But I was referring to the full opening sequence. The lightsaber baton idea was imaginative, I thought, and more interesting than “Nu Imperials invade small cluster of huts.” That said, I thought Kylo’s “look how old you’ve become” followed by murdering an old man, was the most chilling moment of the ST. Real fascist stuff. But I suppose we could’ve seen that later in the film.
     
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  18. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Sure it looks ... ok. A giant middle finger of a spaceship in space. I'm not really a fan of JJ's visual ship aesthetics though.

    But for a secretive Imperial remnant that has was built from the ashes of the Empire and been hiding for 30 years and who no one really knows about yet, or at the very least doesn't believe they exist because that would be preposterous, seeing a huge *** star destroyer going as it pleases, eclipsing a bright world behind it, and wantonly invading a world as if it all owns the the galaxy and is rounding up criminal rebels .... is a bit conceptually strange. JJ just told us all this backstory and then goes about defying his own set up within the first 2 seconds with visuals alone. Showing off ANH-style Imperial dominance in TFA ... smart.

    Would have been cooler (even visually) to see a small, elusive craft, like the one Kylo flies around in sometimes ... led by him, and a just few KOR and elite troopers, invade the planet in total secret. As if they're dark side assassins on a secret mission. Because that's what they were doing. Hunt down LST and get that map, all without anyone getting wise to them. Because he wouldn't want to tip off the New Republic to the FO's plans for the next day after successfully hiding for three decades.

    And I never understood the lightsaber in Luke's dead hand floating through space idea. Like what is that even lol.
     
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  19. Oissan

    Oissan Chosen One star 7

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    Nothing conceptually strange about it. This is the point in time where the First Order unleashes its military capabilities onto the galaxy.

    Besides, if the Empire can hide the existence of the Death Star and its first use against targets from the public eye, why would a Star Destroyer appearing at an isolated and barely populated world somehow draw attention to the wider public?
    The allies of the First Order inside the New Republic have changed the perception of what is going on. Those who point at the First Order as a threat to the Republic are largely outcast and their claims are not being taken seriously. No one would believe any claims from possibly survivors of this incident. Even if it would somehow start a debate in the Republic - which it wouldn't - that debate would get drawn out and sabotaged, and no one would do anything before the First Order launched its real attack. It's not like said attack came a whole lot later than that either.

    Again, this whole thing is a mirror of real history, as in: it replicates the times between the two world wars, with the First Order and its secret rearmament being Nazi-Germany and its rearmament that no one bothered to do anything about. The destruction of the Republic and spreading influence of the First Order represents the Fall of France and Germany taking (temporary) control of much of the continent. All of this gets portrayed quite clearly through Hux' speech before they fire the weapon. An unhinged and fanatical speech, the choice of colours alongside him, plus the arm salute by the troops, it's all telling the audience exactly who they are supposed to think of here.

    I agree with the lightsaber idea though. That always sounded a bit too ridiculous.
     
  20. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Nah. It's all conceptually strange.

    The giant laser shooting across the galaxy and blowing up the Republic is the 'unleashed' moment. That's when its revealed just how powerful they are. Which is what Hux says, as least supposedly. They're taking the Republic by "surprise". Running around the galaxy in huge Star Destroyers and invading planets the day before betrays this narrative concept. Even with a Republic that is dumb and blind. And that doesn't even begin to mention the problem that Leia and the Resistance have been fighting them for 6 years, as a proxy army for the Republic. So again, are they hiding or not, none of this is aligning with the crawl.

    The intro is a mission to recover a secret map to Luke, before anyone else does. Because if Luke shows up, it will ruin their 30 year plan to reveal themselves by destroying the Republic. Everything they do before the giant laser goes off, should be done in stealth mode. After all, they don't want to alert the Republic, or the Resistance, to the presence or plans just yet, nor do they want anyone else finding that map.

    However, JJ isn't thinking conceptually. He's thinking "how do I ape the intro to ANH?". That's it. The big ship coming into view, with middle finger pointed up, is a sign of dominance and strength. The intro may have worked if that was the exact moment they shot the laser into the Republic. BOOM. We've been hiding in secret and the first thing anyone in the galaxy (and the Audience) even sees , is total destruction. But nah, the day before this plan goes into affect, the FO is roaming around the galaxy carefree, like it dominates it already, invading planets and arresting innocent people as if they're the rulers/cops.

    Images can't just be pretty. They need to make sense too.

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    As far as being on topic to this movie lol ... there's plenty of cool things to find inspiration. Obviously the comics are right there, but its been done before very successfully on screen too.

    Stargate. Ruthless god alien. Enslaved people. Strange mining for crystals and minerals for tech. Uprising. Throw in some droids and the force and we're pretty close.

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  21. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Pyramids and such from Ancient Egypt will be taken inspiration From. Maybe in these ancient times. People believed in gods and gods walking along them like the Egypt Pharo. Old Atzec, lore and mythology. Like will we see false prophets and gods.
     
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  22. DarkGingerJedi

    DarkGingerJedi Chosen One star 7

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    Yeah. Beings who everyone believes are innately powerful. And then perhaps they discover the true nature of the Force behind it all. That it flows through everything and not just these false gods.
     
  23. Darth Chiznuk

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    I didn't mean to start a debate about the merits of the ST. I only wanted to compliment a neat visual that I like but I forgot that you can't say anything nice about the ST. My apologies, mods.
     
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  24. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It’s really annoying how every time I bring up Star Wars in public in even the most subtle, harmless way, people use it as an opportunity to rag on the ST. To be fair, I used to do that with the PT, so I get what I deserve.
     
  25. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    One of the concepts I liked in the ST was "The Church of the Force" whose members worshiped the Force and held Jedi in high regard. It kinda reminded me of how Tolkien, when referring to some of the Ishtari, the two blue wizards, hinted that they lost their way and may have intentionally or unintentionally started religions around themselves. Also interesting to me is the Dathomir Witches views and use of the Force as well as the witches from "The Acolyte" who called it the thread or something. I like the variations and I'd imagine a lot more diversity and multitudes of Force "religions" back 25,000 years BBY, before The Jedi Order was founded and became the dominant view of the Force. I'd love to see origins like that, then we have 5,000 years in the DotJ era to explore Jedi Order expansion. A crazy thought but since this is about the earliest founding days of the Jedi Order it could even take place entirely in one System. Or on one planet.