[JCC Social threads/groups policy] A 6 month wait for a 1 month thread? This needs to end NOW

malkie, you seem to be not getting my point in that users may get their own social thread under this system, but it only lasts one month.

if it didn't have a time cap then it would run forever - ie you wouldn't get a new one in.

You've changed your direction as the thread has progressed. Initially you wanted the waiting time to be reduced (ie have 2 threads per month), but now you are suggesting that you want *longer* thread times and hence a longer waiting time. You're not making a great deal of sense.

Lock them like you would any other thread that was spam!

A social thread by definition is spam. What criteria do we use for locking the threads ? Please provide a clearly definition for us to work with. What makes a spam social thread compared to a non-spam social thread ?

I think the Mod Squad is afraid that if the policy is lifted completely, that the Sarcasm Knights would get a legit thread and that's the 500 pound gorilla that has been mentioned yet.

Why would the MS be afraid of the 3SA Sarcasm Knight's having their own thread.

I'm glad at least you've admitted your true intentions for this thread. So, basically you want the 3SA Sarcasm Knights to have their own thread ? Despite this having being covered several times before, and always with the same response ?

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The title of this thread is "A 6 month wait for a 1 month thread? This needs to end NOW", dealing with the issue of wait time for a social thread in the JCC. Asking for a permanent thread for a social group is outwith the scope of this thread and is hence offtopic.

You wanted a reduced waiting time, and we've responded by reducing the waiting time by half.

What more do you want ?

 

This is why the Knights need a new spokesperson. Do as Carmen said: simply takeover a thread. Honestly, you're whining about a single thing; that the Knights can't have a thread title. That is it. There are many threads you guys could use. Stop bring this up over and over and over again, get over it, and move on.

 

malkie, I have never advocated for the 2 per month rule, I want this whole policy & any changes done to go away.




What makes a spam social thread compared to a non-spam social thread ?



One that doesn't enocourage people to be social, one that goes nowhere.



Why would the MS be afraid of the 3SA Sarcasm Knight's having their own thread.

I'm glad at least you've admitted your true intentions for this thread. So, basically you want the 3SA Sarcasm Knights to have their own thread ? Despite this having being covered several times before, and always with the same response ?



If you guys wouldn't be, then why all the ******* drama about it? Can you admit you bias against the Knights? That would be nice. I wouldn't just want us Knights to get a social thread, but for any user to. I want any user to completely enjoy this message board.

 

One that doesn't enocourage people to be social, one that goes nowhere.

That makes no sense on any level.



I give up.





We've done our best, reviewed and adjusted the policy. Sorry if that's not enough for you.

 

Ignant, if we tried to do that, I believe the thread would be locked because if the Mod Squad won't give us a legit thread, why would they let us take over a thread?



That makes no sense on any level.



How does that not make sense? How can you say that the Mod Squad has done their best when problems with policy still remain?

 

"Ignant, if we tried to do that, I believe the thread would be locked because if the Mod Squad won't give us a legit thread, why would they let us take over a thread? "

one last try. By taking over a thread, you aren't going in and saying "THIS IS OUR THREAD NOW, SARCASM, BOOBS, SARCASM" you simply all start posting in it.

 

Tunick, let me attempt to give you at least some of the letters, so that you don't end up on the hangman's noose.

There are currently at least two threads in the JCC that are ripe for being taken over. I suggest you use them.

 

Tunick, if they lock a thread that happens to have Sarcasm Knights posting in it for the sole reason that the people posting in it are mostly Sarcasm Knights, then I'll totally be on your side. Because it's not gonna happen. No mod is going to go in an established thread that has some sort of direction and say "um, this looks like it's becoming a social thread, so I'm going to go ahead and lock it now."

Start a thread about, say, sarcasm. If the topic is sarcasm, then as long as there is sarcasm being used in the thread, it's on topic! Thanks for playing!

 

carmenite42 posted on 6/7/05 3:33pm

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Tunick, if they lock a thread that happens to have Sarcasm Knights posting in it for the sole reason that the people posting in it are mostly Sarcasm Knights, then I'll totally be on your side. Because it's not gonna happen. No mod is going to go in an established thread that has some sort of direction and say "um, this looks like it's becoming a social thread, so I'm going to go ahead and lock it now."

Start a thread about, say, sarcasm. If the topic is sarcasm, then as long as there is sarcasm being used in the thread, it's on topic! Thanks for playing!
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[color=red]Meh. Once the Knights begin to do the stuff we usually do, the mods aren't going to let the thread stay afloat.[/color]

 

This bickering is pointless. We missed the boat on the old social thread policy. I agree with what ignant said. (oh wow did I just say that? ) I know the perfect thread for the Knights to post in and it is an official social chat thread. Snow even likes the title and you will to!

 

Once the Knights begin to do the stuff we usually do, the mods aren't going to let the thread stay afloat.

Well, if you're breaking the TOS, they won't.

 

118 pages in 30 days




120 pages in 30 days




Snowball found those reasons why the Knights should have a permanent thread. The two fastest moving social threads in JCC history were Knight threads.

 

because they're spammers ?

 

malkieD2 posted on 6/7/05 4:06pm

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because they're spammers ?
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[color=red]How were are social threads different from the established "oh we can't piss them off" social threads that have exited for 5 years? We have a great online group & we have a ton of fun.[/color]

 

because it was created after the rule was formed - this has been explained many, many times.

The line had to be drawn somewhere.

 

Well I personally am happy with the 2 Social threads a month rule. And they're right, if we knights want our own thread, we just have to go take over one. I mean the Shiny Council already has a thread, its not social and we really only post in it every other day but, it has a purpose of bringing forth the Shiny Item of the moment. It's best to just drop it because it is a sore subject on both sides for now. Some of us aren't speaking with a clear head on it. We got the policy changed to get threads moving faster. So lets lock this thread up and move on to the next problem!!!!




~PK~

 

Tunick, quick question from the newbie mod to bring me up to speed: why do the Sarcasm Knights deserve a thread more than any other group?

 

Because a) he posts in it, and b) spammers should be rewarded.


Seriously, having been a mod during times when there weren't restrictions on a lot of things I can tell you that there was at times a flood back then of "social" threads that were useless and hardly posted in whenever the fad came back around again as it always did. The JCC is a forum purely for socialisation and frankly I agree with SOME in that the fairer option in all of it is just lock them all. Since that will cause drama, what is being proposed is the best compromise, and thus suits pretty much everyone who isn't just looking out for themselves.

 

KnightWriter posted on 6/7/05 2:29pm

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As [b]Ignant[/b] alluded to (and likewise for carmen in previous discussions), the best way to get a social group going is to have a thread where people talk about something for an extended period of time. Eventually, people get to know each other socially. Many of the best social threads started out that way, as opposed to the "JOIN HERE" method.
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Yes, but you're missing the point. Under the current policy, even if people did come together as a group of friends wanting to create a social thread after careful discussion, it would only be allowed to go up for one month after a six-month waiting period. It doesn't matter whether or not the people founding the thread are really dedicated.

Besides, isn't the purpose of a social thread to meet new people? It is called a 'social' thread, after all, which implies meeting and making friends with new people.

 

HawkNC posted on 6/7/05 4:36pm

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Tunick, quick question from the newbie mod to bring me up to speed: why do the Sarcasm Knights deserve a thread more than any other group?
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[color=red]Not more than any other group, I just feel we deserve one. malkie, how many times must I type it? I don't care if the previous social threads existed before this policy was put in place, you guys should have more guts than to be afraid of users in those threads.[/color]

 

DarthTunick posted on 6/7/05 3:19pm

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[color=red]Ignant, if we tried to do that, I believe the thread would be locked because if the Mod Squad won't give us a legit thread, why would they let us take over a thread?[/color]
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Well, why not just ask?

[b]malkie[/b] and other JCC mods- If a group of people simply started posting in a social way in a random thread, in an attempt to form a social atmosphere, would this thread be locked?

This begs the question, how exactly do you [i]define[/i] a social thread? Like Ignant mentioned, was the hot girl at Target thread an official social thread? I guess the obvious answer would be "a thread where people post multiple topics that change over time and that lasts longer than a normal thread." If that was the case, though, why don't you just lock all threads where the subject of the discussion over time differs from the original topic?

EDITS: Changed some wording that could be mistaken to mean something else.

 

I would love to know why the Mod Squad is so resistant in having this policy remain or be reformed. It's not like it would be the end of the world if it was lifted.

 

You're forgetting the reason the policy was created. It wasn't just out of the blue one day. The JC became flooded with social threads and there were many complaints. That's why the policy was created.

 

Exactly, Paul is right

Not more than any other group, I just feel we deserve one. malkie, how many times must I type it? I don't care if the previous social threads existed before this policy was put in place, you guys should have more guts than to be afraid of users in those threads.

he he he he *snort* wow.

k, when you become a mod, dear tunick, you can spend all your time locking threads that you feel are "too social" and having every single call challenged over PM or in comms.

The policy is working quite well. And we just fixed an area that needed fixing. We're making progress.

 

I've never been a fan of straightout social threads. But the JCC has so many cliques, some I've come across, some I haven't.

New ideas are always good to spread around. However, they can lack direction and purpose. You all know the month timeframe per Social thread / games. By the time you form your social thread, it's already time to close down shop.

The same goes with game threads. Some are longer than others. A trivia contest can go on for 5-10 days like Million Colors or last almost two months like the JC Hogwarts House Cup. As host of The Box Office Thread/Contest, I know that it is set up weekly.

And really you don't know who's going to do a social or game thread until it's time or unless the JCC-MS PM's them days in advance asking them.

Social threads should be limited and possibly re-evaluated. You can put two slots in constant rotation. The number of social threads should be left up to the JCC-MS. If a "regular social thread" dies, then replace it with one on the list.

The same with games. Put a temp slot in constant rotation. If a game is completely done and there is no future for it as seen by the mods/Host, then the next one on the list should replace it.

Best thing to do is to PM the requestees and asks them if they are doing a social or a game. Socials should last one month unless made permanent. Temp Games should last as long as need to, but not exceeding 3 months. Put them in 2 different categories so a social requestee doesn't have to wait for a game requestee to take his or her turn.