Lit Jedi Trial

Off topic, how is "Praesitlyn" pronounced? I've always wondered.

 

Some of y'all think Jedi Trial is worse than Planet of Twilight and Crystal Star?

Well, everyone's entitled to their opinion I suppose.

 

Those two at least have a "it´s so bad and random it is funny" factor to them. Jedi Trial can´t even give us that.

 

You mean thanks to Drochs, Hutt-porn, Daala's lover, Waru, Hethrir and his Empire Reborn, not to forget Callista Ming Planet of Twilight and Crystal Star have at least the appeal of a trainwreck compared to Jedi-Trial?

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I would think the Tonith-clan being rivals of those slimy Hills would be a good thing?

 

Exactly, they almost managed to pull a Springtime for Hitler.

 

Callista seems to have developed a loyal fandom as well.

 

Also the ages of Halcyon and his son (presumably Hal) don't add up at all to what they should be timeline wise for Corran to be his grandson in the X-Wing series. Just putting it out there.

 

I'd guess that problem started back with Corran being roughly the same age as Luke, but being one generation behind with his grandfather, not his father having been the Jedi. Jedi Trial probably didn't think too much about that situation, just like YJK acts as if Anja Gallandro were obviously older, but still roughly the same age/generation as Jacen and Jaina when her father died what, 14 years before their birth.

 

I think that all began when the Clone Wars was thought to be a lot more than 20 years before ANH - maybe the Bantam authors had been given a basic timeline, that Lucas changed later?

 

The authors definitely interpreted the Clone Wars as having happened some time before Luke's birth, but Corellian Jedi having kids even though it's frowned upon by the Jedi Order is part of the Halcyon family myth - which is funny since it predates the prequels and piggybacks on TOTJ's Jedi history that sees a lot of Jedi families and bloodlines.

But still, Corran is basically a roleplay character Luke-stand-in; just like Kyle Katarn is a farmboy whose parent generation was somehow involved with Jedi and the lightsabers they left for the kids to pick up. Still, at some point Stackpole decided to skip a generation for his family tree, which was a somewhat bold choice when Luke was the only reliable marker on the timeline.

 

When was the "Corellian Jedi" concept established and do we know why?

 

Still like her and Gariel as love interests for Luke over Mara.

 

A quick peek at wookieepedia tells me that the concept comes indeed from the X-Wing series. Why did Stackpole come up with it?

Well, first of all, Han as the proto-Corellian "established" that Corellians have a mind of their own, which was kind of fortified by Bel Iblis kind of founding his own rebellion once Mon Mothma's leadership is too restrictive for him. That being said, the other movie Corellian - Wedge - doesn't come accross as particularly anti-authority, but that didn't stop the myth of Corellians always being the Solo character, always being sarcastic, snarky, cool, highly capable.

Second, and this might sound like a potshot at the author - Stackpole does a lot to make Corran special. And he does a lot to lobby for the colour green, as in a green X-Wing, a green flightsuit, Rogue Squadron adopting green as their signature colour once Corran is believed to have died a war hero, finally Corellian Jedi wearing green robes even though the Corellian mythology had done nothing with the colour green up to that point; having them wear crimson robes and forming a culture around the blood stripe precedence would have made more sense. So having Corran as not just as any kind of Jedi, but as a really really cool kind of Jedi that follow rules and wear robes that Stackpole makes up on the spot - well, yeah. Basically his own Jedi Order with house rules. I'd really love to see Corran explained by Stackpole sitting at a roleplaying game table, introducing his character and its backstory to the gamemaster.

And third, which is actually one point five as well as two point five, having Corellian Jedi with their own Soloesque rules and confined to their system allows for bloodlines, which is something early EU was going for with system protector Jedi and great families. And I don't think Stackpole expected that he already gave a reason why Halcyon would have a son and a grandson - Corellian Jedi having a mind of their own - when the Jedi Trial team would have had to jump through burning hoops to explain why Anakin's relationship was something special and forbidden when other Jedi obviously had bloodlines and 'secret' children going on as well.

 

A more charitable interpretation of your second point would be that inventing a splinter branch of the Jedi gave Stackpole the freedom to introduce whatever features or plot elements he wanted without having to worry about being bound by later canon - or conversely doing the same thing to other authors himself. Which isn't something that should be underrated when it comes to making a shared universe work.

 

To a degree, yes. By binding a few features to the niche order, though, he is still making assumptions about the "mainstream order". Corellian Jedi famously wearing green robes, for example, will make green robes "less intuitive" for other Jedi; and this is the kind of thing that, in a shared universe, would clasically result in retconning Jedi in green robes into having a relation to Corellia, and be it a Concordance of Fealty-style handwave that has two friendly Jedi Masters exchange robes (I know, I know, but weirder things have probably happened in EU lore).

I'm not attacking Stackpole over this or anything, but somehow I can't see him choosing a niche branch to help other authors or continuity; not if we all know about the Zahn/Stackpole connection reinterpreting the Anderson/Veitch material in their own image. I could buy Stackpole creating a splinter branch in order to evade LFL scrutiny (like when Zahn was forced to rewrite Obi-Waan into C'Baoth, or the Sith into the Noghri or whatever was going on there). I'm not feeling non-charitable here, I'm just feeling like this is a realistic assessment based on the strength of Stackpole's conviction.

 

This is the most recent thread I could find on this. I'm doing a chronological readthrough of the Clone Wars, and I am therefore reading Jedi Trial for the first time. I'm about a third of the way through. For a Del Rey book, it's sooo Bantam! Nejaa Halcyon, Sluis Van, Praesitlyn, Bpfassh! One very interesting thing I've learned from this book is that Sate Pestage had an actual job in the Republic government as opposed to just being Palpatine's henchman - he's "controller of the Senate's executive agenda". I also really liked the scene where the senator is contacted by some mysterious cloaked figure, which the reader is supposed to think is Sidious, and then it turns out it's Sly Moore! Sly Moore is criminally underused in things.

 

Well, there's hope she'll be used more if her relationship to Palpatine from the EU is carried over to new canon... (and I think this is the route they should go honestly)

 

Pray-sit-lin?

 

Just looking at it I want to say the same way as you pronounce Presley, but that's probably wrong

 

Thankfully, the pronunciation is in the audiobook preview on Audible - it's "pree-zit lin"

 

That... feels wrong.

 

To be fair, almost all EU names do when you hear them for the first time.

I'm still surprised Thrawn didn't turn out to be actually be pronounced "Thray-win" or something.

 

I pronounce Thrawn as to rhyme with clown.

 

I think I do the same

 

If you're not pronouncing Thrawn the way they do in this video, you're pronouncing it wrong. If you are pronouncing Thrawn the way you do in this video, you're pronouncing clown wrong lol