Jesus and Satan?

I was viewing the beautiful legend TPM, earlier today, and discovered something I have never before. A representation from other characters, in Mythic history, in TPM.

Could Qui Gonn Jinn, and Darth Maul, be identitfied as Jesus, and Satan?

Discuss.

(P.s: Sorry, if this is already being discussed, or if its in the wroung forum, or anything, please don't be harsh, meesa new here. )

 

I think they're just the polar extremes of good and evil, much like Jesus and Satan are. The theme of good and evil goes back way before Jesus and Satan. I think Lucas was just trying to tap into that basic philosophy.

 

Ok, well maybe it was the LOOKS of each character which lead me to think of the SPECIFIC characters of Jesus, and Satan.

Qui Gonn-Jesus:

Longer brown hair, soft, compassionate, rebel, understanding, calm, controlled focused.

Maul-Satan:

Horns, red, evil, dark, No remorse, etc

 

You have a point. However the images of Jesus and the Devil relate to our perceptions of what should look good and evil, but I don't want to get into a religious debate.

 

lol! Don't be worried, I'm not religious, so, I'm not biased by any view.

 

lots of people are religious however (not including me) and people are generally too uptight to have a discussion regarding a subject such as this because sooner or later you'll have people screaming "HERESY!"

so while I understand where you're coming from, Master_Destiny, I think it would be best to close this topic... for the sake of the board...

 

Ok, I'm SO sorry....I didin't know I would cause so mcuh trouble on my first night here!

 

You haven't caused any trouble. It's just that topics with a religious nature usually turn into a heated debate around here.

 

lol! Wow, but can we just leave this open, and IF a flame war arises, THEN lock it?

 

That's for either Strilo or Darth-Stryphe to decide...

 

Could Qui Gonn Jinn, and Darth Maul, be identitfied as Jesus, and Satan?

Qui Gon was more of a John the Baptist sort of guy. He discovered Anakin and proclaimed him the Chosen One, just as John proclaimed Jesus ("Behold, the Lamb of God!"--John 1:29 if I remembered correctly). So, Anakin would be Jesus (heh, so would that make Padme as Magdelene? )

Maul is more of Satan's minion rather than Satan himself methinks. Satan would be the mastermind, Sidious.

 

"so while I understand where you're coming from, Master_Destiny, I think it would be best to close this topic... for the sake of the board..."

You could always, you know, ignore the topic if you find it distasteful? How this could offend anyone is beyond my comprehension.

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I thought about this awhile back but I didn't dwell on it too much. I can't add much if anything at all to this discussion but tell you that I had the same thought awhile back.

 

I could be mistaken, but I don't remember any of Jesus' miracles involving fixing bets, stealing transports or passing off worthless currencies on market traders...

 

Heh, good one.

That's why I liked Qui-Gon, he was good, but he wasn't perfect, he did what needed to be done. I can relate to him more than this Jesus fellow.

 

This was an odd topic to find at the top of the board this morning... Good point about the good vs. evil... but I doubt Lucas had the specific vision of Jesus and Satan in mind when designing these characters.

 

Good point about the good vs. evil... but I doubt Lucas had the specific vision of Jesus and Satan in mind when designing these characters.

True. The Ep.I screen play evend describes Qui-Gon as an older man with flowing white hair.
Darth Maul was created when GL told the designers to "come up with their second-worst nightmare".

 

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"Darth Maul was created when GL told the designers to "come up with their second-worst nightmare"."
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Why second? Who's first?

 

I don't know that I'd go that far. If you want to identify anyone as Satan it'd be Palpatine. I don't know how many of you are part of the 3SA forum. But, I will just say that somehting he does in Epi.III will almost mirror a book in the Bible.

 

I think you guys missed my point. I'm sorry, I did'nt make it too clear.

I figured Lucas didin't intend for this represenatation, BUT many of his work tend to take meanings of its own based on the VIEWERS mind.

I was just saying SPECIFICLY, in the Tatooine duel, with Qui and Maul, could this be reminiscent of Satan blocking the pathway out of hell, for Jesus?

 

Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but when did Jesus go to hell?

 

lol! I don't know, I never read the bible, but I'm just saying, this scene SEEMS like that.

 

Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but when did Jesus go to hell?

There are versuses that some inturprate to mean that during Christ's three days of death, he went to Hell and ministered to the lost there. It's a gray area, but some believe it.

 

I was just saying SPECIFICLY, in the Tatooine duel, with Qui and Maul, could this be reminiscent of Satan blocking the pathway out of hell, for Jesus?

I dunno...the symbolism just seems wrong to me. Tatooine wasn't too hellish in TPM, it can't qualify as hell.

Forgive me if I'm being ignorant, but when did Jesus go to hell?

Most Messianic figures go through death/the Underworld/Hell/Hades/ whatever you want to call it, it's to symbolize their mastery over death, I think. As Stryphe mentioned there, some verses seem to say that Jesus spent three days in hell. Similar events occur for others like Osiris/Horus, Mithra etc. (I think even Heracles went through the Underworld, though my Greek myth is a wee bit rusty).

You can even see it in movies and books (Aragorn walking the Paths of the Dead, Neo in those Matrix movies, and of course old Frank Herbert's Dune books).

 

I kinda thought that too, though I don't believe in anything Maul does give off a very Satan feel. Can't say much on Qui-Gon. Anakin being the Chosen One would seem more like Jesus I guess. Of course, if Palpatine fit for Satan then Anakin wouldn't be a good Jesus as he didn't become Satan's apprentice. Maybe Yoda would be the better choice.

 

40 days and nights of temptation = Padme on Naboo