The Bad Batch The Kaminoans Krazy Kloning Konundrum (spoilers)

I wonder if Tarkin is actually waiting for Crosshair to resist the chip. What if getting Crosshair's inhibitor chip upgraded and sicking him on his former team is meant to be a test of the inhibitor chip to see if he will eventually be able to overcome it or something else will break it. Is it possible for his old teammate to eventually reach him? One soldier could show the entire base of clones can be compromised. Just the thought inhibitor chips won't be effective forever is probably not ideal for Imperial Soldiers.

If there is a rebellion it will probably take a season or two.

 

I think Tarkin does want the whole batch to end up dead. Thinks they are bad

-Jedi Knight Fett

 

Maybe the Empire wanted people to think that the Stormtroopers were still clones so that people would fear them more?

 

Maybe, but the Empire also seems to promoting this patriotic safe society thing, and wants conscripts from local worlds to achieve this.

 

The average citizen seemed to look down on clones as lesser so maybe

 

If the Kaminoans can implant Order 66 into the Clones, then of course they can implant whatever else they wish.
The Robocop Directive. Their product can't hurt the company that made them.

Maybe The Emperor or Tarkin understand the danger of that mixed loyalty.

 

It could be some combination of the two, the Stormtroopers are both a political project and a military one. Maybe the Empire promotes them as a kind of seemless transition from the Grand Army of the Republic to the New Order. One thing that distinguishes troopers is their fanaticism, which rivals the clones even though they're "regular" humans. They still have that psychological/political purity.

It might be way too late for this, but my hope is that when/if we see the genesis of the Stormtroopers in Bad Batch, they are imposing, competent and deadly. It feels like ancient history, but I remember them being some serious dudes back when I watched the OT for the first time. In ANH and ESB, they totally wash their counterparts on the rebel side, and it's not until the Endor Ewok shenanigans that they get played for fools. They don't really get beat when the Falcon blasts out of Mos Eisley, or the Death Star, or Cloud City, the heroes are having to book it because they can't beat them in a straight up fight. I love when they roll up behind Lando on Bespin and you know Han Leia and Chewie are ****ed. The Stormtroopers used to be scary dudes.

 

The citizens at large in the Republic were completely happy to not enlist in The Clone War and let the Clones bred to die fight instead. A senator outright says this in "Pursuit of Peace". But citizens were so tired of brownouts and cold showers from Clone Troopers bankrupting the republic I bet they will be happy to see them go sooner than later. I can't wait to see the Propaganda used to make citizens enlist.

 

Part of the propaganda effort would be rebuilding the galactic economy. Hiring citizens could be marketed as a patriotic move that would lift local economies. And of course it would put people to work because the Empire would make its own rules, and they could strip worlds of any resource without environmental or ethical restriction.

So this military industrial policy would like be popular at first until worlds begin to die and the conscripts realize they are little more than slaves.

The real idea here is that conscripts can just be conscripted in an Empire. Loyalty and patriotism are mandatory, or else. So there's no real need to actually pay the troopers well. You simply execute or imprison them if they aren't obedient.

That's what Tarkin and the Empire want. They want slaves, suffering, and profit.

 

It could be like this, but also there could be the promise of colonization. Many of the Roman Empire's soldiers were promised land in payment for service, they would eventually own the people they conquered. The Galactic Empire's human-dominant ideology could facilitate imperial wars like our own history, to pacify the CIS systems.

 

Agree 100%. The Moffs and Imperial Governors certainly thought this way. And the Imperials might make lower figures in the hierarchy believe military prowess could lead to territory and political power. And the lowest, most brutal sycophant's could actually rise this way. Krennic was this kind of figure.

 

@The Chalk Jedi speaking of Krennic, and by relation the Death Star, that reminds me of an old debate regarding the political agenda of Palpatine and the Empire. This might be veering into off-topic stuff but I'll try to bring it back.

In ANH, there is a generally understood politics of the Death Star, that it is an instrument of terror which invests the state with an unprecedented monopoly of violence. It's not a weapon so much as a scepter, its threat is more important than its actual devastation, kind of like atom bombs. This interpretation is an imperial Galactic Empire. Palpatine wants to control the galaxy like Alexander or Napoleon, a ruler, and the Death Star forces rebels to submission rather than extermination.

But there is another interpretation, which is that Palpatine - seeing infinite futures through The Force and approaching imminent immortality - wanted the Death Star to be an instrument of annihilation. Coruscant wouldn't be the capital of the GFFA anymore, the Death Star would be, and eventually it would be the only planet if that's what it took. This interpretation is a totalitarian Galactic Empire. Secluded in the depth-less darkness of the Imperial Palace and assailed by malignant prophecies he saw only death.

The Kaminoans are smart guys, they have to know that Palpatine is going off-script so to speak. I wonder what their "last straw will be," or whether they've already decided to turn against him. Wouldn't be surprised if they still have complete control over the clones in one way or another.

 

Any other spot the ATOC cameo with prime minister and Tarkin, Tau wee.

 

Wha wa-, what? Is Tarkin in AOTC? I never noticed that

 

Nah, lol. She's in this new episode.

 

No, I don't think they did it, but I think they should have

But from some canon material, we do know that at least some clones did serve the Empire for years to come, potentially until the OT era.

 

From my understanding, Stormtrooper training varied from system to system, so Stormies could range from anywhere between elite, feared shock troops and incompetent buffoons, mostly somewhere in between.

 

Here is the legendary TaunWe.

 

Dad TaunWe’s here

 

Against the empire, I don't think they want to stick their necks out.

 

did Yarael Poof survive Order 66 in canon or is that me imagining things? If so maybe that bodes well for the long neck-ed.

 

It’s surprising that in Legends we never saw anything of Lama Su after the formation of the Empire, even the clone rebellion/Kamino uprising as awesome as it was still had Lama Su absent - leaving his fate a complete mystery.

Thankfully the Bad Batch is correcting this error and will hopefully do a better take on the story.

 

We know Kamino still exists at the time of the Mando. That Dr. guy is a Kaminoan employee, correct?

It's interesting that humans seem to play a stronger role there post-Empire.

 

That doesn’t bode well