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Kyle Katarn's Tale (Dark Forces Articles by Abel & Jason)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Rogue_Follower, Apr 7, 2005.

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  1. jasonfry

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    And I noticed that Jason got in some more planet placements--Keyorin is now in the Belderone Sector (both from the Marvel comics) of the Outer Rim.

    Like I'd ever miss a chance for a planet placement. ;) A flurry of additional ones in Pt. 5....
     
  2. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    ;) Of course, we *still* don't really know where they are in relation to the other worlds in the region (but you'd need a map for that, I suppose). Still, it's better than the Mandalore sector. We still don't even know which region *that's* in. :D

    EDIT: I stand corrected.

    TC
     
  3. jSarek

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    Well, we DO know Belderone's location (just off the Perlemian next to the Cron Drift), and given how small sectors are on the scale of a galaxy, that should seriously narrow down the location of Keyorin quite a bit.
     
  4. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    What's with all the Belderone love recently? [face_batting]
     
  5. burrie

    burrie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've probably asked this before, but was there anything specific regarding Jedi Outcast? NEGTC didn't mention it.

    More specifically, how you can transform people into Jedi-class citizens, and infuse them with such anger emotion?
    Ach, I still think that the Valley of the Jedi is a big part in this. Whereas Jerec tried to channel all this energy upon himself, Desann decided to channel most of this energy upon his followers, making them essentially Force Users. A neat way to have many Dark Jedi enemies without it coming off as too contrived. Doesn't Tavion explain this in her ranting at Cloud City before the inevitable saberfight?

    And crystals were used to channel Dark Side energy, aye. If not, at the very least, it amplifies or focuses the Force on someone. Mon Mothma makes a mention of this at the debriefing following the first mission, and I think the Skywalker bloke also mentions it when you meet up with him at Fyyar's flagship.

    As for the anger emotion... aside from the crystals, I think that they must've been taught by either Desann or Tavion to utilise their anger and hate. Not that it's the best way to have taught them on such short notice, mind you. I mean, in the end, most of the Reborn aren't entirely top of line Dark Side material. Kyle and Luke can wade through an army of them without too much trouble, and Luke's a dozen or so Jedi padawans are quite capable of fending off a few dozen of them.
     
  6. Cynical

    Cynical Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Desann's dabbling in articial force-infusion seemed to be two seperate ventures really.

    First there was the experiments with using the crystals to infuse the force, using NR citizens as labrats (you don't do this on your own troopers until you know it works). As Mon Mothma herself said, the notion that this could work is madness. The kyle came along and put an end to it permanently.

    Desann finds out about Kyle, knows Kyle's link to the Valley (probably from his Academy days) and goes "This works better". Dropping any further work with the crystals, they set up Kyle to lead them to the valley so that they can use that instead to infuse the force into troopers.
     
  7. burrie

    burrie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I believe that it was mostly Fyarr's pet project, not Desann's. As much was described in his biography on the official site, if I recall correctly.

    As for the crystals, they must've had some sort of effect. After all, they were implemented into the shadowtroopers and those were quite powerful warriors in their own right, showing abilities that the average Reborn rarely shows.

    Furthermore, Kyle had faced some sort of a Reborn before Desann ever got his hands on the Valley of the Jedi to begin with, as was shown in the Jedi Outcast demo that took place before Jedi Outcast. Kyle encounters a Reborn(or two, depending on difficulty), whom he manages to defeat afterwards. Granted, it might be one of Desann's former apprentices or perhaps his apprentice who got replaced with Tavion afterwards. Nonetheless, the Reborn has some sort of connection with Desann, he mentions him every now and then in his taunts. Plus, Kyle mentions that he does feel the Force, but that it's "warped".

    My guess is that this apprentice is either one of Fyarr's earlier experimentations(with which the crystal might be linked), or Desann's(or perhaps Tavion's) apprentice. Kyle's mention of the Force feeling warped makes me feel that it's the former.


    However, I definately believe that the Valley of the Jedi was the key that led to the Reborn, not the crystals. The latter might've amplified it somehow, but it's the valley that completely tuned them to the Force.

    At least, that's how I think it works.

    Edit: And if I might be so bold to ask to the writers of the articles(Abel? Jason?), will this matter be cleared in any of the articles?
     
  8. Cynical

    Cynical Jedi Youngling star 2

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    The demo was a just a composite of E3 showcase material. I don't think it is canon.
     
  9. Rogue_Follower

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    IIRC, the demo is canon.

    The "Reborn" in that level doesn't have to be an actual Reborn, it could be a leftover Dark Side Adept, as seen in the Miniatures game. At least, that's my theory. You could look at it as a coloring game-play aspect, that the model is a game-play aspect and its just some random Darksider, or that the entire Dark Jedi battle in that level is a game-play aspect. Just because a few things don't fit perfectly doesn't mean we should throw the entire level out.
     
  10. burrie

    burrie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    What about Katarn's comment that he senses the Force nearby, but that it's 'warped'?
     
  11. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I haven't played the demo for a while, but it could be just refering to the Dark Side, not the twisted feeling of the Reborn. I also seem to remember that all of the voice lines in the demo were taken directly from the game, not recorded specially for the demo's story, so that the words might not exactly fit the situation. There are other mistakes in the demo; IIRC, Jan sets down what is actually a door lock as a bomb. But I don't think its enough to overrule the entire level. After all, even parts of Super Star Wars and Yoda Stories have made it into canon.
     
  12. Eyrezer

    Eyrezer Jedi Master star 3

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    Could it be possible that the JO demo is actually after JO. The Dark Jedi are actually left-over from Desaan's army. In my playing of the demo, I see nothing that actually insists it is placed before JO...
     
  13. Kreuzader

    Kreuzader Jedi Padawan star 4

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    There's been a statement from somebody about its placement before the main game, but I forget who... I recall having this discussion years ago when the game came out at any rate.
     
  14. Eyrezer

    Eyrezer Jedi Master star 3

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    Yeah, I mean the scroll at the start says 8 years after Endor, but it is the same as JO, except for the last paragraph, which was wrong.

    It would also explain why Kyle has his lightsaber and can use the Force...
     
  15. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    When you say jedi Outcast demo, do you mean the Alzoc bonus level, and the 2 Reborn at the end?
     
  16. Cynical

    Cynical Jedi Youngling star 2

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  17. Dante_Glass

    Dante_Glass Jedi Master star 4

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    Are we gettign any more of the articles?
     
  18. CeiranHarmony

    CeiranHarmony Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    yes we do, around 4 more, if my count is correct.
     
  19. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Part 3 is up! :D

    Love the link between Jerec's dark cadre and Palp's dark side elite. Now you only need to link both of them with Dooku's inner circle and I'll be happy. ;)
     
  20. Rogue_Follower

    Rogue_Follower Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Very nice!

    And now for the Retconn Roundup Report:

    "She was raised by the Prophets of the Dark Side, ignorant of her parentage."

    Here's the GoDV reference. The Prophets just keep getting more evil. [face_devil]

    "On Tatooine, Sariss worked for Governor Tour Aryon, going by the name Prophetess."

    I like it! So now Sariss can be seen on film in ANH. Here's her CCG card.

    "Jerec, whom she'd first met during his time on Dromund Kaas years earlier."

    This confirms that the Sith Temple there was known by Palpatine, or at least his followers. It also explains the Stormtrooper remains. However, those darn ysalamiri still need to be accounted for...

     
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  21. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Interesting connection between Jerec's 7 Dark Jedi and the Emperor's Darkside Elite plans.

    And woah! Connection to the CCG! ::digs!::

    [image=http://www.decipher.com/starwars/cardlists/premiere/dark/images/prophetess.gif]

    EDIT- knew I should have refreshed the thread after I read the article ;)
     
  22. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Great stuff! I always liked Yun; his new Greek tragedy backstory makes him even cooler.

    TC
     
  23. Kreuzader

    Kreuzader Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Awesome - I can't wait for the Jerec entry :)
     
  24. Tam_Elgrin

    Tam_Elgrin Jedi Master star 4

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    Arden Lyn, yay! :)
     
  25. burrie

    burrie Jedi Padawan star 4

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    A very excellent article, fleshing out the Dark Jedi quite a bit. Loved the background information, and hoping to see what the other articles will reveal.

    I was surprised with the 'Dromund Kaas' mention. Perhaps one of the articles will reveal what exactly transpired on Dromund Kaas that turned Kyle to the Dark Side?
     
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