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Legacy #7: Broken, part 6 (of 6) - Glowing Luke on the cover!

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  1. Krados

    Krados Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Not since Shadows of the Empire have I cared for any Star Wars comics. Now, I await each release of Legacy with giddy anticipation. Love the entire series and, save for the most minor of quarrels (Damn you shifting release dates!), I think it is perfect.
     
  2. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I'll take that challenge and in exchange will use JEDI MIND TRICKS to force you to write one of my requests into an issue!

    *John Ostrander writes in a bunch of dead Mandalorians in one scene for no reason*

    Here you go!

    In general Broken is an arc that has it's ups and downs. I won't be including NOOB which actually sadly hurts it a bit but It's overall a very strong arc that I think is more effective than the Knights of the Old Republic's initial arc but less effective than the Tales of the Jedi initial 6 issues, Dark Empire, Rogue Squadron mini series, or the Crimson Empire miniseries. It's miles ahead of Jedi vs. Sith though.

    The storyline has a great deal to cram into the first issue, effectively setting up the fall of the Galactic Alliance and enslavement of the universe. Frankly, it's probably too much to take in at once and leaves us with a lot of questions. The single events of this one comic could have been a Six issue mini-series on its own as we don't know the players and simply are forced to guess at the mammoth events that take place.

    Kudos on how Kol Skywalker went out though.

    The biggest problems relate to Roan Fel as we know so little about him and his cause that its difficult to take him for face value. The man allies with the Sith yet is a Jedi Knight. The man is an Imperial which automatically conjures images of evil even a century after their fall. The man has furthermore destroyed the Galactic Republic that is a shining beacon for all beings. The ambiguity is probably initial but it leads me to question his every move as opposed to rooting for him.

    Thus his bombastic dialog comes across as self serving and Machiavellian while his guard's arrogance against the True Jedi only makes them dislikable. They are saved by Princess Marasiah Fel from being a thoroughly distasteful bunch even as she also comes off as young and naive to quote Senator Palpatine.

    The Noob story gave a human face to the Imperials and is necessary I think to prevent them from remaining the "Evil Empire" in most people's eyes. For some fans, it was a long time ago, but for me the Empire is defined by the sight of the Death with Baron Fel best remembered for his blindness to the Empire's evils and narcissism that he might have prevented Tarkin from destroying Alderaan than his honor.

    Cade Skywalker is a remarkably effective anti-hero in total as his final scenes greatly impressed me. While I have complained and will continue to say that actually turning over a fellow Jedi is like killing a baby or taking a woman by Force in you don't come back from that as a hero narratively, I do think that I can ignore it. Cade's scene with Luke Skywalker is probably one of the most iconic in all of the Star Wars EU as it is perhaps the only time Luke has allowed to glorious in his wisdom. Simultaneously, Cade's simple realism and frustration aren't cartoonish but accurate with Luke having no damn good answer as to why they keep trying to help a galaxy that turns against them at the drop of a hat.

    The fact he willingly chose to go to a place he hates though to save a life is also a sign of true heroism and one that I applaud the character for.

    Shado and Wolf are some of the most impressive heroes of the Saga as they are like the Prequel Jedi of the Clone Wars comics. They are wise, powerful, noble as well as people who manage to make the enigmatic wise man thing WORK. Little touches like them suggesting the Imperial Knights couldn't stand against a true Jedi Knight or suggesting they have no loyalty to Emperor Fel were very appropriate. The way they treated Cade with respect to his decisions even as they gave their advice was also very Jedi....good stuff. I love to see these guys in action more.

    I was also impressed by the character of Darth Krayt though I have my objections
     
  3. Giolon05

    Giolon05 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    It's going to be tough to follow directly after C19's enormous presence, but here goes.

    I'll start off with an agreement that I thought the initial coup by the Sith against the Empire was far too brief and rushed, and left us without any sort of real understanding of the full impact of exactly what happened. We know the Empire and Sith were working together previously but for how long? How good was the cooperation? Were there signs that this was going to happen? One can assume there were since Roan put in place a decoy, but the lack of more information around this time frame hurts its effect on us. It's sort of like "100 years later, Sith are in power, yeah yeah..." I'll also agree that the lack of any more backstory on Roan Fel makes it difficult to sympathize with him or root for him except for the fact that he's not the Sith.

    Now on to Cade...while I enjoy that Cade is of a different mold than the rest of the Skywalker's that we've seen thus far, I can't help but feel him to be a bit too stereotypical for my liking. Tough guy, doesn't give a damn, but always does the right thing in the end. We've seen it all before... However, giving up the Jedi, that was the one truly surprising moment in his character arc for me. The rest of it, not so much. I felt his "decision" to use the Force again (in the first battle w/ Talon) and his big reveal as being a former Jedi were a bit too forced and too soon to see in this comic. I understand it's not a novel, but I would have liked to see a little more conflict in Cade's resolve before committing to go one way or the other.

    On Sia Fel, let me just say I'm glad you didn't kill her off this early. At the end of Issue 6, I was afraid that'd be it and a buddingly interesting character would have been snuffed out leaving us to flashbacks and memories. Great call. I feel she's a little bit too far on the naive side, and part of it might be due to the lack of space for words on the comic page, but her words are always so dripping w/ idealism that I half expect butterflies to gather around her with rainbows overhead every time she speaks (I could say the same thing about Astraal, but since she's more of a side character that's fine). I think she's a potentially interesting character, especially since we know she has some combat training, and I look forward to seeing where you guys take her.

    On the Sith, I find Krayt to be a supremely compelling bad guy, largely because he is such an enigma. We know his body is failing, we know he is at the mercy of the whimsy of the Sith holocron spirits, and yet he is able to command such incredible respect and reverence from his followers. I dearly would like to see him in true combat, that crazy armor just begs for it. Darth Nihil is one I don't care for. I don't find him particularly compelling. He's simply generic evil guy. I really thought he was going to be offed in #7 though, giving Wolf his...well not revenge since that's not a Jedi's "thing", but letting Wolf get some justice for his lost arm and Cade for his father.

    Darth Talon is a weak character. I hate to say it, but I have to. The Poser artwork on the cover Issue #0 is what drew me intially to this series, since it's what I do for a hobby, making it the first of any Star Wars comic series I've ever read. Her mini-bio inside the issue was moderately interesting as well. However, it was very disappointing to see her as "mindlessly obediant lacky #32" very much in the vein of Darth Maul in Episode 1. This is a girl that is begging for some characterization. I can't even give her "evil bitch" at this point because she has no personality. I am very glad that she didn't die, in the hopes that she can be giving the characterization and depth that she deserves. Give us some motivation here. Why did she become a sith? How did she find out she had
     
  4. BobaMatt

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    I haven't really rearead it as a whole, more sorta glossed over it. Plan to go back and really read it. In the meantime.
    What with the backstory getting fleshed out in the next three issues, I'm wondering if leaving past events a little obscure wasn't a deliberate story choice. It helps to establish the tangled relationships of it all, if we're not even sure what's going on.
    Was for me, too. That and the drugs. Almost makes you think he's not the archetype you described...
    If the synopsis of 11 and the end of 7 are any indication, he hasn't commited to going any way but his own.
    Can't help but disagree. This is the girl who knew full well her father would leave her for dead for the greater good, and accepted it.
    I agree overall, but I'm willing to give Talon and Nihl the benefit of acknowledging that they haven't appeared much, and it's only the first story arc. There's a bit of tension built up between Nihl and Talon at the end of 7, though. Competition. Juicy.
     
  5. Vana

    Vana Jedi Master star 4

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    >> Giolon 05, BobaMatt : :rolleyes: if you're searching for hot nude women, then just by "Playboy" or porno magazines. It would be a pity to see scenes with vulgar women in Star wars comics if we can avoid them. It's not needed in the scenario. It's soooo boring for girl readers to see almost nude female twi'leks everywhere for no reason, just because male readers like them, and because it's commercial.

    It would be so interesting to see for example intellectual and no-sexy (but can be pretty) female twi'lek with a lot of charisma, and not only a hot chick created to make guys drool. It would be a very original and interesting character.

    It's like what I said about Bib Fortuna: the first male twi'lek we saw in the movies was fallacious and ugly, and then in almost all the books, video games and comics, male twi'leks were ugly and dishonest too. Same for the female twi'leks: the first ones we saw were sexy slaves dancers, so now 99,9% of the female twi'leks we can see look like models (not very credible... a whole race...) , are dancers or slaves, or sexy fighters.

    It's not original at all [face_plain]

    That's why I was happy to see Shado vao, because at last he was an original character. Not ugly and dishonest like almost all the male twi'leks we could see in Star Wars.

    >> Giolon5: did you forget to speak about Wolf and Shado in your explanation?
     
  6. Giolon05

    Giolon05 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Hey, there's a lot to be said for non-nudity. A pity it might be for you, but there's a pretty big difference between porno and some nice playful relaxation. Its fanservice, and you can never go wrong w/ it. ;) Ok, you can, but here I think we've got a sure fire winner! 8-}

    No, I didn't forget them. I just had no strong opinions on them either way. They work. They're the stand up Jedi. They're all mysterious. They're wise. They try to get people to do the right thing w/o imposing their will on them. I think they fit their role in the story well.

    This is exactly what I thought Astraal's role is. She's got more clothes on than most other Twi'leks combined! And there's nothing in her character that's supposed to be sexual really. She's basically a nun (as far as we know thus far). So what if she's beautiful, you can't fault her for that! Plus I'd tend to agree with some of the discussion threads that have run here about lekku being the most flamboyant sexual display of any race in Star Wars.

    And 99.5% of important characters across anything, even in Star Wars, are good looking (and 62.3% of all statistics are made up on the spot). It's the same argument against good looking people (usually women) in fantasy, and it's moot. If I want to see ugly people, anybody can find one outside their door. "Real people don't look like that," yeah and real people are often boring.

    Meh, the drugs didn't help break his mold for me, in fact they reinforced it. He's really just an emo kid running away from his problems.

    Don't you think that just reinforces her stereotypical idealism of sacrificing everything for the greater good? I do.
     
  7. Vana

    Vana Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't ask for drawing ugly people. Look at all those Hutts and male twi'leks, Aqualish, etc, etc. There are enough ugly creatures in Star wars to create more.

    I just asked for originality.

    And Astraal is too naive to be a charismatic character to me. [face_plain]

    I know there won't be porno in Star Wars, I know the difference with what you're talking about. But sometimes fanservice of this kind is not necessary... well, it's necessary in a commercial point of view, but i mean, there are so many other ways to interest the readers than putting sexy female twi'leks everywhere.

    Girl readers exist too, don't forget it.
     
  8. Elysiann

    Elysiann Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Just so happens that I did that today and there are several things I noticed. Firstly my point of view is from someone who has read next to nothing on the EU before picking up legacy, which I only did because I was getting Kotor and my comic book guy got legacy for me cause he thought I might be interested.

    All together I liked this first arc and I think it ties together very well. The artwork was amazing, the colours beautiful and subtle, and I love the occasional pencils showing through (which is prolly what started me on starwars comics to begin with) The story has a good pace, with enough dialogue to keep me interested. I loved the sense of Irony and wry humour of it as well as the mystery and ambiguity. HAlf the fun is speculating what every little action and word might mean or foreshadow.

    Some questions and observations I have got on the re-read
    1.In issue 2 page 5 bottom panel... I assumed that the dialogue is shado's but it is comming from Sazen, but it doesn't make sense coming from him... is that a boo boo?

    2. in the fight scene in the bar (also issue 2) I loved the snail's escape... that snail kept popping up in panels everywhere... I hadn't noticed it the first time through... Also when Cade loudly announces that they are there for only one sentient is he giving a vague warning to the jedi to stay put?

    3. though it was a a interuption to the story flow, I found that issue 4 explained what happened to the 908th was great... and the characters were great.

    4.the big fight under the stars was awesome!!!!! and I like how everyone just dismisses Astraal... they are seriously underestimating her methinks. I also found the dialogue with Astraal and Rus... also Rus and Krayt was so full of double meanings that I can't be sure that he is a turncoat...

    5. I honestly don't think Syn woulda turned Cade in, I think that perhaps he felt more betrayed that he never knew. I mean he thought he KNEW cade ... he was the reason Cade was still around.

    As for the characters... I don't think Krayt is truly a sith... I mean he isn't after absolute power, he is after order... which makes me assume that he created himself a sith, and didn't have a mentor, I like that his identity is a mystery also.

    Talon... I can't believe how much she isn't liked... I think she's kewl... and though she hasn't show much personality yet, I get the sense that she is becoming more and more thoughtful, that now she is out in the wider galaxy she is learning things and tucking them away for future reference... she is smart one... and nothing wrong with her showing a bit of flesh... it suits her character.

    The Imps are very emo, but I can't help but like Ganner, he is like the cool glass of water next to Draco's fire. As for Emperor Fel, I get the impression that he has a plan, and a purpose and that he has had one for quite sometime.

    Cade is just a little boy still, hiding from the big bad world, or so he seems to me. Very much an angsty teen... but I like that about him, his vulnerability makes him endearing, when he could have come out an ass.

    In fact I like all the characters, each one brongs something different to the mix, and they work great together... there is so much more I could type, but it's getting late and my brain is starting to freeze so thats all from me for now... :)

     
  9. BobaMatt

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    Not much for joking around, are you?

    Anyway, Twi'ilek dress that way because that's how Twi'ilek dress. The fact that male readers like them is almost secondary, at this point.
    Astraal?
    It's become a cultural thing, mostly.
    Haven't we seen a pretty good number of not-ugly, young Twi'ilek males? It's only creepy, sleazy old guys that are ugly.
    And I don't see why the girl readers' enjoyment of the comic should depend on the state of the Twi'lek female. How about the human females? Or the human males, for that matter. Twi'lek females will always be kinda sexual to an almost comedic degree. In fact, Jan and Jon dealt with the problem of Twi'lek females in a particularly interesting story arc involving Aayla Secura.
     
  10. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I bet Jan could draw a sexy Tott Donetta too.
     
  11. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    As if Shado weren't sexy enough. :p
     
  12. Kwenn

    Kwenn Jedi Master star 5

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    Just got this issue today, and it's just as downright awesome as the rest of the series. Legacy seems to really show the conceivable future of the original trilogy - it's as "Star Wars" as it can get without having Lucas's name on the cover, but it's a "Star Wars" that's grown and evolved from what we saw in the OT. It's got a great feel to it.

    Overall, the Broken arc has been a complete success, and it really sets up that "rich tapestry" that Randy mentions on the last page of the issue. Yeah, there are a lot of unanswered questions, and of course a mass of backstory threads that it seems almost a crime to have overlooked. But, I'm pretty sure these events will be fleshed out more in upcoming issues - just as the prequels revealed the backstory of ANH.

    I'm not going to get into too much detail, suffice to say, there really isn't anything I dislike about this series - honestly, I can't think of a single thing - other than its installments don't come quick enough ;). Here's hoping "Chapter 2" lives up to this new legacy....
     
  13. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Jedi Master star 4

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    Damn, from Legacy 0 I had gathered that Nihl and Talon had a good relationship....boy was I wrong...


    I love it! :)
     
  14. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 8

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    Legacy 7:

    This was a good conclusion. Though I had thought earlier, around issue 5, that this might develop more radically - possibly killing off Krayt, the events of Legacy 6 put paid to that as Krayt did what all smart leaders do - he delegated the job of getting the princess.

    Cade finally gave vent to his anger over his father's death and whilst Wolf had a point, you couldn't say Cade was wrong to be hacked off. The sequence with Syn was interesting, as was the section with Antares who, after such a good showing last issue, proves he can be a judgemental arse to match a PT Jedi! The resolution at Bastion with the characters splitting up felt natural and there is clearly more to come. As for Cade, he hit his lowest point in Legacy 2-3, I can't see him returning there. He has no love for the Sith either, but does not wish to be a Jedi, he doesn't consider himself one but he won't hinder the Jedi's goal. Not a hero yet not an anti-hero either.

    I do like Cade's attitude to the whole Jedi point. It seems if you're a Skywalker you're expected to be a Jedi, like a child in a military family, but what if you don't want to be so? That seems to be what Legacy is asking. Not only that but Ostrander is also tackling the harder issue of generations' past shadow stretching into the present - Cade probably feels unable to match his ancestor, nor does he see the need to - especially given how the galaxy rewarded his father's efforts. Yet at the same time we know it is likely, in some way or form, he will accept his destiny even if we don't see how, that's part of the story after all.

    As for the larger picture, it would not surprise me if Legacy 11 is a 3-parter leading to a conclusion in Legacy 13, for Ostrander spoke of the first 13 issues being important for establishing the world of Legacy. With the first arc done, plus solicit info for 8-11, it's much easier to tell what he meant. We have the story of the Sith-Imperial war, the Galactic Alliance coming into play and the Sith pursuing Cade. Whatever people may think of the pace, it can't be denied there is a clear plan here.

    JB
     
  15. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I really feel Talon's worthless, just a smuch as Ventress and Aurra Sing...they're all steretypicical evil women for no other purpose than to be evil women. Talon has no personality, honestly.

    Good issue, but the colorist really needs to be scolded....that's two big character errors...
     
  16. BobaMatt

    BobaMatt TFN EU Staff star 7 VIP

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    Give her some time.
     
  17. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    I love Jan and Jon. I love their work. Its brought me much entertainment but still, I can't resist saying this

    "Yes, maybe she'll disappear off camera after getting away and never be seen again."
     
  18. BobaMatt

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    Hm. I'm actually kind of hoping she sticks around to be a pain in the but for a good long time only to have Nihl utterly own her whenever he comes back from that long fall.
     
  19. Rouge77

    Rouge77 Jedi Knight star 5

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    Why?:confused: The good guys are so weak, that the villains have to start killing each other to reduce their number?:p

    And when somebody kills Darth Talon, it will likely be Marasiah Fel, like Cade will likely kill Darth Nihl. Revenge for a lost mentor in the case of Marasiah and in both a show that the hero has "come of age", so to speak. Also, what was the last time that a major female villain was killed by a male hero?:confused: Gender should not really make any difference, but it probably does. If Asajj Ventress would have been male, would Obi-wan Kenobi have been so keen to save his opponent?[face_thinking]
     
  20. BobaMatt

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    Definitely a good point, but I dunno...I've always had a thing for bad guy on bad guy action. The complication in Talon and Nihl's relationship is an interesting dynamic, I think, and I think it shows how tenuous Krayt's Rule of One really is...
     
  21. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 8

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    Well killing each other is what Sith do. As for male heroes killing female villains - doubtful it'll ever happen, too many people would jump over it and twist it so they can look cool by throwing around charges like misogyny.

    Just looking over what Legacy has done in 7 issues and it's pretty impressive:

    Issue 1: Fall of the Jedi, ascendancy of the Sith, betrayal of the Empire.
    Issue 2: Focus on Cade, entry of Talon, capture of a Jedi, Wolf & shado battle Sith.
    Issue 3: Cade's lowest ebb - he turns over the Jedi, Rav enters the picture, Fel takes Bastion while Talon pursues his daughter.
    Issue 4: Stormtrooper perspective on the Sith and questions of loyalty.
    Issue 5: Flight to Vendaxa, battle with Talon in which Cade reveals he's a Jedi, Krayt goes to Korriban.
    Issue 6: Antares defies Fel to save the Princess cue Sith-Imperial Knights fight, plus Jedi and Cade.
    Issue 7: All plots come to a partial resolution for the continuation.

    About the only organisation not introduced actively is the Galactic Alliance and that's coming. When summarised Broken is a very effective introduction to all the characters and the organisations which avoids lots of exposition - no mean achievement! What's more both this and KOTOR have re-ignited my interest in SW where the books of DN and LOTF had extinguished it. The latter did this by portraying a dreary, leaden world where nothing good be done and little hope, whereas in both comics there is as strong a hopeful current as there is realism. Never mind some great comedy in KOTOR.

    JB
     
  22. Charlemagne19

    Charlemagne19 Chosen One star 8

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    Well Luke killed Baritha, utterly tore apart Shira Brie several times including very recently, and I was firmly convinced Anakin killed Ventress twice.

    [face_sigh]
     
  23. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 8

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    That was before the Internet...As for Anakin, he was in the Dark Hero category, so that's OK. ;)
     
  24. Lightsnake

    Lightsnake Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Why should I? It's been an entire story arc with her rather prominant
     
  25. Sauron_18

    Sauron_18 Jedi Master star 4

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    Though Talon does have a little of the Baldylocks Syndrome, I do sense some differences in her. Despite her bloodthirstiness, she does things for someone else, with a purpose beyond herself. She does what she does because of her complete devotion to someone and something.

    In that sense, she is Sith.
     
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