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Thor's one of the more positive Youtubers actually. He gives people either side of the divide a chance.

 

But like all other bad youtuber's he has a hard on for KK, diversity and female agenda as he likes to call. And i won't forget the ****ting on the Sequels he has done. He is no better then prequels haters.

 

Rey is (and I know I'll be called a sexist for this no matter what) a Mary Sue in all three films. She's a perfect angel that beats every problem she faces. She beats Kylo in their first fight, is a better pilot than Poe or Han, has no character flaws, and is incredibly OP. And yes, there are male Mary Sues; Wesley Crusher in Star Trek TNG for example.

And I'm not even gonna get into Luke.

 

I think being a Mary Sue salvages rather than deprecates Rey.

 

His problem has never been with diversity and I've never even heard him say the words 'female agenda'. In fact, he was very positive about the Disney era up until a few months after TLJ, when he rewatched the film and had many issues with it.

Criticising is not the same as blindly hating, and there many things to critique in both the PT and the ST.

 

A perfect character is a badly written character in my eyes.

 

Rey is as mutch mary sue as Luke is in all 3 movies. Like Rey he trains a few minutes with Yoda then leavves and is jedi next movie sounds familiar with Rey. no matter how books have framed it that's how Luke's journey was and that's what Rey's journey is. And Kylo was dying almost give me a break. And yess anyone who call her a mary sue has osme sexism inside them just as how many did with captain marvel. Even Ahsoka was called a mary sue in the beginning, truth is if you are female you mary sue if not you good character.

 

It's ont thing to crtticising something another to mention in what 100 videos thats when it's called hating on it and not to mention he attacks RJ in his videos. He aint no saint, when ever KK appears he sarts hating. And Rey's a good character, better then Luke was in AHN.

 

May I remind you that Luke got his ass kicked at the end of ESB, after he skipped out on the training? The difference between Luke and Rey in the last film of their trilogy is that Rey didn't need the training, she was already perfect.

Kylo being shot is an excuse, not a justification for why the writers decided to have him be defeated by Rey in the first film.

I said in my very last post male characters can be Mary Sues too. Ahsoka started off poorly written in the TCW movie, and got better as time went on.

 

He doesn't 'attack' or 'hate'. Hell, he never raises his voice. He calmy criticises their decisions, what's so terrible about that? Better to be critical than to blindly love everything.

How is she better than Luke in ANH? and don't say she's more likable, that doesn't correspond to the quality of writing.

 

Rey like had been training for year just like Luke and he didn't need more trainning and Rey didn't fight anyone in TLJ. Kylo was dying you may not like it but that's how it. Like TPM Obi wan took down Maul is he a gary stu then. or How young Ahsoka amange to withstand Grevious and Ventress in just season 1. And Vader is agrown man amaster of the dark side while young ben is conflicted and unsure where he is. And no i turned off from him ****ting on sequel trilogy while he praise the PT trilogy and the commenst section is cancer. HE's sexist even of dosen't admit it and he's supposed to be a middle age man.

 

He get angry calmy when KK or Rian is mentioned, you should be critical but also praise the good things but he praise the PT while hates on the ST. Luke whines she does not, and yeah She's more likable then Luke is in AHN. LUke is better in ESB and ROTJ. Rey is good TFA, Great in TLJ and ok in TROS. Luke is ok, in AHN, good in ESB, good in ROTJ.

 

First off, the time in between ESB and ROTJ is half a year, but Luke also trained in the 3 years between ANH and ESB.

Secondly, I'm not contesting that he was injured. I'm saying it was a stupid writing decision to have him injured at all, and lose to Rey from a narrative perspective.

Thirdly, she beat Luke, the Throne Room guards, and knocked out Kylo.

Fourthly, Obi-Wan surprised him, but it was still stupid that Maul didn't react. Again, there are problems with the Prequels too.

Fifthly, Luminara helped her both times against Ventress in S1, and yes it was stupid that Grievous couldn't beat her. Grievous is terrible in general in TCW. As I said before, Ahsoka started off not so great, but improved.

Sixthly, why is he sexist? For simply criticising a women?

 

He praised a lot of things in TFA.

Luke starts as whiny and ends as heroic, he goes through a lot of character development. Rey starts and ends an angel. Also, are you saying that Rey in TLJ is a better character than Luke at any point in the OT? Because I have issues with that take.

 

Obi Wan had been raised in the Jedi Order since he was an infant and trained for years by experienced Jedi ;aster Qui Gon, and he barely defeated Maul, after Maul overpowered him first, because, Maul got sloppy. Not the same as Rey at all.

TLJ was where the big failure with Rey was. The second film is where the big failures tend to happen. Both Luke and Anakin, and even the supporting heroes like Han, Leia, Obi Wan, Padme, etc all fail and need bailed out big time in ESB and AOTC. And every hero in TLJ has this happen to them as well EXCEPT Rey. And unlike Luke and Anakin, Rey still gets to be the big hero in the end as well. This is part of where the Mary Sue argument comes in. Even her "flaws" are mostly showing that she's too nice and too moral, which aren't all that impressive as flaws. Meanwhile the movie utterly fails to make Kylo a believable new big bad.

Luke even in ROTJ doesn't come across as as powerful as TLJ Rey is, nor does Anakin in ROTS. And that's after years of study. Rey has, between TFA and TROS, a year of actual training maximum.

TROS, pulling uber-Force powers that we've never seen before didn't help, nor did having Rey kill Sheev by herself.

 

You make good points. I do 100% think that Duel of the Fates is great overall. I just consider it silly Maul simply stood there while Obi-Wan lept.

 

Wrong AHN between empire is 3 years and aemprie and ROTJ is barely a year. She idn't beat Luke, he could handle it was the lightsaber that shocked him and he fell. Both Kylon and Rey did and they are red shirst just like royal guard who yoda just force pushed like nothing. Ahsoka could take on Ventress in TCW movie.

Yes unpopular opinion Rey in TLJ is better then Luke in the OT as the OT is full of character flaw like Leia barely reacting to Aalderann and Luke being whiny sorry OT fanboys. It's why TLJ Luke is my favorite of the character. Luke is more human and not this god form eu or what ever fan porn kids read then. And Rey starts as alonely savenger and end with being a jedi. Rey knows how to fight and fly cause she learned when surviving on Jakku unlike Luke. Rey goes though her own journey with identety and finding out who she is and is accepted to a family.

 

Dyad is between both parties you don't have to like it but it's there and Rey didn't kill Palpatine alone it was with help of unseen force ghosts and would look cheesy if seen all of them. Kylo was never meant to be the big bad he was always meant to be conflicted TLJ didn't change that.. And Rey has been raised to survive the dangers of jakku with fighting and flying, and maul was a better fighter and should seen it coming but was killed cause GL cound't come with anything better then. ROTS Anakin is mutch more powerfull the REY and Kylo they just can't show it with tech same with PT, if made tday we mutch more of the force.

 

well, I think this thread qualifies as hot garbage now

 

You're right that I was wrong about the timeline; I edited my comment to reflect this. Still Luke has 4 years to Rey's 1.

Luke loses because he gets scared by a lightsaber. Sure seems consistent with a character who's wielded one for several decades...

I concede you're right about the knockout.

The throne room fight in general is terribly choreographed. As for Yoda, he beat them easily because he's the ****ing Grand Master; and anyway, TLJ portrays them as formidable enough to need both Rey and Kylo to beat.

As I've said before, Ahsoka started off poorly. The movie in particular is shoddily written.

Leia does react to Alderaan being blown up...when she literally sees it blown up. Also, she was in her cell for ages. Do you not think she would've mourned in there?

Again, Luke starts off whiny and goes through character development.

You clearly aren't familiar with the EU. EU!Luke failed plenty. He lost tons of friends, his first attempt at an academy, his wife, two nephews, and yet, true to the character he never gave up.

Rey's piloting skills are still overblown, she outright says she's never left Jakku in TFA.

She still has no real deficits or flaws.

 

acording to GL Luke had no kids or wife so thats strike one off eu. No but you can fly crafts in the air and not leave jakku as some books after TFA stated. Leia says what that's all what matters is what's in the movie and about yoda dosen't matter the red guards are forever a red shirt to a force user, see how Ben dealt with KOR. Yeah and she was wrtten by wait for Filnoi who everybody now praise as god and savior of SW ignorant fans as Maul would say. Luke was cut off the force for a while it makes sense after connecting again he gets chocked at the saber coming to him. Luke's character in OT is far from EU Luke ST is more like OT then that. Luke nver goes to the dark side. Rey goes though character development just not same as Luke.

 

"From where you're standing this probably looks like a 5 page run of bad posts. But the truth is, the thread was rigged from the start".

 

Just because GL didn't like it doesn't mean it was automatically terrible. Y'know what else Lucas said? Palpatine was absolutely dead after ROTJ (and yes, Dark Empire is ****).

I find it interesting you use a book to support your argument, and a few sentences later say that only what's in the film matters! And anyway, flying in the perimeter of a planet is very different from going across the GFFA.

Filoni is not perfect. He has made several writing choices I would say are poorly done (keeping Ahsoka alive after Rebels S2, making Barriss a traitor etc). But he improved with time, and whatdya know it, the first thing he did was the poorly written Movie.

As I've said before, Rey still has no real flaws.

 

GL also liked dark empire with Palpatine soo, i use as evidence that Rey knows how to fly, and she just fly out off the planet then Han Solo came soo no biggie. Filoni has faults and i disargee, i'm glad he chose let Ahsoka live past ROTJ. Barris atraitor was great showing not all jedi blindly follow as their world is turned upside down and showing jedi going to extreme messures towake the jedi up. RJ like Filoni shoudn't be hated for his first movie. And the movei is as poorly as the PT maybe worse then it. And Rey has flaws she puts her trust in everybody even the ones not to trust. she can't get over her dead family and is a poorly lighsaber duelist and the force barely comes to her in both TFA and TLJ only when her life treathened.

 

You can like something without agreeing with it. And his thoughts on Plapatine post date his reaction to DE.

Ahsoka surviving the Vader duel is the very definition of a Deus Ex Machina, no matter how much you like it, it's a cop out.

The character who bombed the Temple, went against the Jedi and betrayed her friend is an interesting one. But it was absolutely inconsistent with everything we'd seen of Barriss in 2011.

I never said I hated Filoni, I really like the guy. He improved rapidly after the Movie. As for RJ, I'm not even gonna try to get into that.

Rey being too trusting is just another positive trait that works against her precisely once.

She's gets over her family at the end of every film in the ST, it's brought back again and again because her potential family is the only interesting about her.

She beats Kylo in a lightsaber duel, she beats the throne room guards in a duel, she only gets put on the edge once in TROS, against Kylo, and even then she still wins!

The force only comes to her when she's threatened = the script needs her to get out a given situation with no good reason.