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Discussion in 'Community' started by KnightWriter, Nov 16, 2006.

  1. JEDI-RISING

    JEDI-RISING Chosen One star 6

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    well no reason to watch this year either
     
  2. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    i watched most games last year and will likely do the same again, but i share the sentiment that it's likely a lost season. klay had been so healthy for so long that i don't think people realized how important to the warriors' success he really was until he was out.
     
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  3. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    They tried to keep competing with Kevin Love. It became immediately obvious that they couldn't. They tried it. He couldn't carry the team as a #1, he was terrible, and broke down with injuries. So they had to scrap that.

    Is this what they said (I haven't seen their comments), or how you see it? Who was the best player available? How do you know they don't think Okoro was the best player available?
     
  4. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Brutal about Klay. And the Warriors in general. Not the way for that dynasty to abruptly end.

    And, the onslaught of human interest stories during the draft was brilliant up until I was spending more time excited about which picks' entire families weren't all dead than who they were and what team picked them.
     
  5. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Baseball and Three-Time Jedi Draft Champion star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    lmao the Cavs absolutely did not try to compete seriously with K-Love what are you talking about. He got hurt immediately in 2018 and they went right into the tank. By Dec, before he ever came back, they'd fired Lue and had the firesale for assets Inty mentioned.

    I doubt that team was going anywhere, despite loving Kev and being glad he got that contract, but that's not what happened.
     
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  6. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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    I mean, the Warriors do have Steph coming back, right?
     
  7. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    they do and hopefully he stays healthy. i still think they probably won't make the playoffs in the west without klay. would love to be wrong obviously.
     
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  8. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Can anyone think of any other dynasties, in any major sport, ravaged by injuries like this?

    This is exactly what I was talking about. They gave him the ball, he was the number one guy. It was atrocious, he was atrocious, and he got hurt immediately because he couldn't handle the load.

    Game #1 5-18 FG, 32.4% USG, 104-116 L to TOR
    Game #2 6-19 FG, 26.8% USG, 123-131 L to MIN
    Game #3 6-19 FG, 27.6 % USG, 111-133 L to ATL
    Game #4 injured, 86-102 L to BRK

    All losses.

    I think they saw enough. Him playing like **** and getting injured the moment they put the load on him made it clear they couldn't make a go with him. They can't do anything for him if he can't stay healthy.
     
  9. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Altman is on record each of the last three drafts saying they were taking the best player, regardless of position. And comments made this year are things like "it became obvious he was the best player available, because he fit a need" and "we fell in love with his character, and that mixed him up on our boards". So, I don't think it was adhering to the "best available" strategy, even though they claim it was
     
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  10. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    I see. Having looked up the quotes (I have google, so I shouldn't be lazy), I have to agree with your perception.

    Altman said "fit" like a hundred times. It was all about how he fit. He'll retroactively claim Okoro was the best player, he'll say he was the best fit AND the best player, that he's both, because of course they're not going to admit they didn't take the best player. They're not going to say someone else was better.

    If he was the best player, they would not have said anything about fit, much less talk about fit first and so many times. They'd just say he was the best player available, and leave it at that.


    Pistons new GM Troy Weaver seems like he's making moves just to make moves. He's the new GM, dammit, and he's getting rid of everyone who was here before he got here, just because.

    Seems like aggressive moves are valued more than good moves. If they're terrible, this will define him for me. Weaver was terrible, but he was aggressively terrible!
     
  11. LloydChristmas

    LloydChristmas Baseball and Three-Time Jedi Draft Champion star 5 VIP - Game Winner

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    Dude what, 3 games is not "tried to keep competing with Kevin Love." It was 3 games.

    And he was already injured during all those.

    He didn't get hurt b/c he couldn't "handle the load" (whatever the hell that means lol). It was a toe injury in the preseason that he tried to play through and then needed surgery for.

    Again I doubt K-Love takes them to the playoffs-- he didn't in MIN and the rest of the squad sucked so bad on their own that Lue got canned & the tank fired up-- but you're really misremembering/mischaracterizing what went down. Please listen to fans of the team, the way we would if the topic was the Pistons!
     
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  12. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Alright I’ll defer.

    I like what Denver has been doing in the draft. They’ve had young depth for years, so they’ve taken some risk on some higher upside players. MPJ, Bol Bol, and now Hampton. Looks like MPJ is working out great. Even if the others don’t turn out, I think it’s good strategy.
     
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  13. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    @tom

    Apparently OKC is trading Oubre to GS for a protected 1st that will turn into two seconds if it doesn’t convey.

    No worries, now! Totally replaced Klay!
     
  14. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    two seconds isn’t very long
     
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  16. epic

    epic Ex Mod star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    athletic throwing around a possble trade idea for kicks: harden to warriors for wiseman/klay/future 1st as the general idea. if houston are in full rebuild mode the klay contract doesn't hurt them really (alternate idea is to throw in wiggins), they get wiseman to build around, and some future 1sts too (incl the minny one?). it's better than the crap the nets are offering anyway. warriors run with curry, harden and green. who says no?
     
  17. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I think the Warriors say no, because Harden and Curry is a difficult combination to see mesh together nicely. There's almost no evidence that Harden is going to change his game, and plenty of evidence showing he won't change his game for another superstar around him. If you're going to try to move Klay Thompson as a salary match (and, I'm assuming the #1 pick there is the pick owed to them from Minnesota, not their own) with their only really valuable assets, I think you try to get something that works better in the system than Harden. If you use your only assets and get it wrong and demonstrate to Steph that there's no such thing as loyalty with the Warriors (which, hey, I would totally get - they want to win titles, not sentiment), it's not hard to imagine him wanting out in a year after being unhappy playing with Harden.

    Like, honestly, that might be enough to get the Wizards to move on from Bradley Beal. They'd have $90 million in sunk, injured contracts between Wall and Thompson, but they'd have some actual building blocks that would be on the same timeline and would give them realistic goals. I think Beal slots in much better as a Thompson replacement than Harden.
     
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  18. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    meeeeeeee, i say no.
     
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  19. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, I am out on Harden to the Warriors and to the 76ers. Not because I am daft enough not to recognize his incredible talent but the overall fit as a ball dominant player just doesn't do it for me. As a fan of my home team, but also as a fan of the game who cares about other teams. As far as what Morey did here, adding Curry and Green and their ridiculous 40+ 3pt % each and moving Tobias Harris back to his actual proper position under Rivers (who coached him to borderline AS status in LA) is enough to make me want to see what the team can do as constructed. Add in having a coaching staff of Rivers, Joerger and Cassell, who will hold Embiid and Simmons accountable, and I really don't want to rock this boat until I see how far it can sail.

    I am not blind to Harden's status and ability but that doesn't automatically translate to working on just any team. Brooklyn has got to realize Kyrie will be a nightmare if he is relegated to "third star" status without ever even having played a single game with KD. And, I'm praying Golden State gets several more years (after this) of Klay and Steph together in the backcourt. This year may hurt but, after what that combo has proven they accomplish, I wouldn't mortgage the future for this season.
     
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  20. tom

    tom Chosen One star 7

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    i will be really bummed if we trade klay. not so much if we trade draymond lol.
     
  21. DarthIntegral

    DarthIntegral Baseball Draft Commish star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    If it gets him to unironically talk about it being how "the world turns" in some passive aggressive interview or tweet, it might all be worth it.
     
  22. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Force Ghost star 7

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    Toronto (Tampa Bay) Raptors! I mean just watching 'em on TeeVee so I can deal, maybe get some all stars for 1 year since they'll be in Tampa probably the whole season. Maybe playoffs in Toronto if we're lucky.
     
  23. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    Heat are going to re-sign Dragic and Meyers Leonard to one and one deals to keep cap room for next summer. Dragic is going to get $18 million this year. Wow. Way more than I thought he'd get at this point.

    Wes Matthews is going to sign with the Lakers.

    Pistons signing Mason Plumlee on fairly reasonable three year, $25 million deal. I like him, I think he's underrated, especially his passing, but sigh.

    Pistons also signing Jah Okafor to two year minimum salary. I like his moves, and he's absolutely destroyed us the past two years, but come on. This isn't football.

    It makes it appear as if Christian Wood is as good as gone. I really enjoyed his growth last year, he looks like he could be an efficient 20 ppg scorer who can shoot threes, go to the rim on big steps like Giannis, finish lobs, finish difficult shots with touch, and block some shots. Wood was the guy who was supposed to replace Drummond, they gave him a promo saying as much. Idiots.

    Whoever gets Wood is getting a diamond in the rough.
     
  24. Point Given

    Point Given Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I just can't imagine Harden going to the Nets unless Kyrie is included.
     
  25. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval TV Screaming Service / FFS! star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Is the GM in Detroit committing public career suicide? What on earth is going on there? For better or worse, the Pistons' decisions making this week is the most fascinating thing in the league.
     
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