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  1. welsh_stormtrooper

    welsh_stormtrooper Jedi Youngling

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    I was watching ESB DVD yesterday and was reminded of something which had been bothering me about the film for a while.

    One of Vaders main objectives during the assault on Echo Base was to apprehend Luke, as well as wiping out a rebel stronghold obviously. With this in mind, how was Luke able to escape from the Hoth system and set a course for Dagobah without any resistance what so ever? At the same time the Millenium Falcon was hounded and chased into an asteroid field!! We know there was an entire fleet of imperial ships surrounding the planet so his X-Wing must have come under fire. I realize that if he was caught at this point there would be no film, after all, Vader only wanted the Falcon so he could get to Skywalker, but I just found his exit from the planet very unbelivable.

    Does anyone know if a sequence was scripted or shot which was dropped out of the edit for pacing?
     
  2. Chi-TownStarkiller

    Chi-TownStarkiller Jedi Youngling

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    Well, if you think about it, Vader simply assumed, mistakenly, that Luke was aboard the Falcon, thus after watching the Falcon blast off from Hoth he simply ordered the entire fleet to pursue. This left the rest of the Rebel ships completely free to leave, including Luke in his tiny non-descript X-wing.
     
  3. RogueScribner

    RogueScribner Jedi Master star 4

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    ^^^^ yep

    L8r
     
  4. CIDLORD

    CIDLORD Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Luke had to be lured to the dark side of the force, and not captured by Vader.

    As ROTJ's novel points out, Luke's journey to the dark side "it must be of his own free will, else all was lost. A spirit could not be coerced into corruption, it had to be seduced. It had to participate actively. It had to crave".

    So, that's the reason why Vader did not go directly for Luke but his friends. Because it was Luke who had to take the first step if Vader wanted success in converting his son to the dark side.
     
  5. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    As was previously said, Death Squadron had taken off after the Falcon, so Luke's X-Wing was able to simply fly away unmolested.
     
  6. Steve1977

    Steve1977 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Vader thought Luke was on the Falcon. He never thought a simple one man fighter would be any threat. ;)
     
  7. Chi-TownStarkiller

    Chi-TownStarkiller Jedi Youngling

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    I guess there is merit to the idea that Vader may have known all along that Luke was NOT on the Falcon and was thinking of it as bait to bring Luke to him. I think I just always assumed Vader figured Luke was on the Falcon, as he had been in ANH, then when he discovered this was false he simply changed his plans and used Han and Co. as bait. But I can see it making since that this was his plan all along...
     
  8. RogueScribner

    RogueScribner Jedi Master star 4

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    It was part of Vader's plan to let Luke be trained by Yoda? Not likely. It would be easier for him to corrupt and train Luke himself than to take the chance that Luke would shun him for the good guys. Which is what happened.

    L8r
     
  9. Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord

    Darth_Maul_Sith_Lord Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I don't think Vader knew anything about Yoda...

    But I can't be sure because I have not seen ROTS, but you'd think that if he did know of Yoda, he would've followed Luke to Dagobah and nipped Luke's training in the bud...



    D_M_S_L
     
  10. Indigo_Jade

    Indigo_Jade Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Vader obviously knew nothing of Yoda:

    "Obi-Wan has taught you well... you have controlled your fear."
     
  11. clone3131

    clone3131 Jedi Master star 4

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    Well, if you think about it, Vader simply assumed, mistakenly, that Luke was aboard the Falcon, thus after watching the Falcon blast off from Hoth he simply ordered the entire fleet to pursue. This left the rest of the Rebel ships completely free to leave, including Luke in his tiny non-descript X-wing.

    I dont buy it. I think its just one of those things, but- there were many SD in the fleet, i would imagine protecting every angle of Hoth.

    Only 3 or 4 SDs plus the executor went after the falcon. There were many others to try and get any and all rebel ships.


    There should of been something chasing luke. They didnt want ANY rebels to go.

    CLOne
     
  12. PokeMat23

    PokeMat23 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Im a lil rusty with ESB but didnt the Rebels use their cannon thingy to fire some shots at the Empire to clear the way for escape? I think that is how most of them escaped scott free.
     
  13. 4LOM

    4LOM Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Maybe Luke found a gap in the Imperial fleet's covering of Hoth and flew out that way. Maybe the gap was created by the 3-4 Star Destroyers pursuing the Falcon.
     
  14. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Maybe Luke found a gap in the Imperial fleet's covering of Hoth and flew out that way. Maybe the gap was created by the 3-4 Star Destroyers pursuing the Falcon.

    I'm pretty sure that all of Death Squadron (6 ships) went off after the Falcon.
     
  15. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    In the ESB Radio Drama (at least in the script), Luke, Wedge and on eor two other pilots escort one of the last transports off of Hoth, but a Star Destroyer blocks their path.

    The fighters hide in under the transport to hide their sensor sillouette and wait for the ISD to drop it's shields for the tractor beam, and then they spring out and unleash a volley of proton torps to disable the ISD enough for the transport to get away.

    Luke then tells Wedge and the others to go on ahead with the transport, and that he'll hang back to make sure they aren't followed, despite Wedge's protests.

    They take off and Luke breaks away from Hoth, leading into the shot from the movie ("we're not going to regroup with the others").

    And all of Death Squadron didn't go after the Falcon initially- just the one ISD. Once the Falcon hides in the asteroid field, the rest of the fleet then joins the hunt (though I'd guess some stayed behind to oversee the mop-up operations on Hoth).
     
  16. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    In the ESB Radio Drama (at least in the script), Luke, Wedge and on eor two other pilots escort one of the last transports off of Hoth, but a Star Destroyer blocks their path.

    The fighters hide in under the transport to hide their sensor sillouette and wait for the ISD to drop it's shields for the tractor beam, and then they spring out and unleash a volley of proton torps to disable the ISD enough for the transport to get away.

    Luke then tells Wedge and the others to go on ahead with the transport, and that he'll hang back to make sure they aren't followed, despite Wedge's protests.

    They take off and Luke breaks away from Hoth, leading into the shot from the movie ("we're not going to regroup with the others").


    Just before Luke gets in his X-Wing on Hoth, Wedge is heard to say that he'd meet him back at the fleet. And when we see Luke's X-Wing leaving Hoth he's on his own.

    And all of Death Squadron didn't go after the Falcon initially- just the one ISD. Once the Falcon hides in the asteroid field, the rest of the fleet then joins the hunt (though I'd guess some stayed behind to oversee the mop-up operations on Hoth).

    At least three of the five Star Destroyers in Death Squadron are seen trying to cut the Falcon off after its escape from Hoth, so I'd guess that Vader was desperate enough to send the other two, along with his Commandship off after the Falcon as well, as we saw that he did later on in the film. His main aim all through the movie seemed to be to catch the Falcon, from when we see him enter the Rebel hanger, right up to where we see him personally go alone in Executor to Bespin, so I'd say that he'd given orders to all the Star Destroyer captains to catch the Falcon even during the Battle of Hoth.
     
  17. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>Just before Luke gets in his X-Wing on Hoth, Wedge is heard to say that he'd meet him back at the fleet. And when we see Luke's X-Wing leaving Hoth he's on his own.<<

    There's the scene with Wedge, then the sequence described in the radio drama occurs, and after Wedge and the others leave, Luke is on his own, leading back into the movie scene of Luke flying away from Hoth.

    >>At least three of the five Star Destroyers in Death Squadron are seen trying to cut the Falcon off after its escape from Hoth<<

    Oh, I'm sure the Falcon was a top priority, since Vader basicly bloodhounded it in Echo Base. I forgot about the other two destroyers for a moment there, though (though the collision/near collision took all three out of the game, and we don't see Death Squad go after the falcon again until they start combing the asteriod field after Vader orders it (which is, presumably, at least a bit after the battle itself and things down there were wrapping up).
     
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