Amph "Engage!" - Star Trek: Picard Discussion Thread [Paramount+/CraveTV]

The Will Wheaton interview with the writer and director is actually worth watching imo. Those two are definitely huge fans and get the character. The episode also has a clip of the composer of the theme music, who talks about incorporating Picard’s flute into the music. He even knew the name of the episode. There is a lot of love for TNG and Picard that went into this show.

 

Yeah, the fear with these things (as we are all well aware) when revisiting beloved characters after so long is that they won't be the same, and that new writers will write them completely differently and out of character.

I was sold immediately, it was Picard. I hope it continues to be so.

 

Hearing Russo talk about his thoughts on writing the Picard series theme I really love it now lol

 

By the way, is the aftershow with Wil Wheaton also on Amazon Prime by now?
After i watched "Remembrance", i didn't see anything about it.

 

I watched it on YouTube so they’ve made it readily available for free.

 

Thank you. Can't wait to watch it.

 

Yeah, going to have to watch this one weekly.

It looks great, the Federation has always had very wonky patches before sorting itself out and getting back to its more idealistic self so that works too.

The idea of synths developing is a smart one.

And Picard’s verbal evisceration of pushy dodgy journalist was a delight.

Practically this does shelve the Trek books as they were, but those books got a 20-year run and never expected to run as long as they did. I know there are plans to try it keep it all going but short of playing the multiverse card, no bad thing, I can’t see a way. The books are the definition of a niche product.

Talking of books, the upcoming Picard one should be excellent given its McCormack. Although, I was also very happy Kirsten Beyer’s name on the creative team, she managed the impossible on the books by making the Voyager relaunch excellent! Her Discovery work has been good too.

 

Excellent start. It moved much faster than I thought it was going to. Seeing Picard and Data together again was goosebump material.

So the romulans are living on a reconditioned borg cube and keeping Soji close to hand. At least that's how it appears. Is this where they were taken after the evacuation or is this there own idea? Are they still sympathetic to starfleet or are this bunch a breakaway sect out for revenge for abandoning the evacuation? Are Picard's home helpers in on it or are they genuine? Is the decommissioned synthetic centre set actually a shopping mall cafe?

Btw, I want that dog.

 

Well, I'm glad to see it didn't suck. Not perfect, but I actually like the pacing and the feel--it's definitely not just TNG Season 8, but to me it still feels like it's set in the same universe while being it's own thing. Still ways to go but so far, definitely smoother than Discovery (which I didn't outright hate like some, but I wouldn't pretend either season was all that...cohesive).

 

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Lal sort of got a shout out with Picard saying "Data always wanted a daughter." but I do agree a more direct line between the two would be nice. I was feeling it anyway rewatching The Offspring if only because they're both petite brunettes. And as I mentioned, one of Lal's final lines is "painting...daughter" which is literally in the episode.

 

Well I liked it.

"Dosh". Her deliveries reminded me of the first few seasons of STNG as she needs to settle into her character, but the thing is she is perhaps doing it right since she is essentially a new being thrown into situations she doesn't know how to deal with emotionally. But, well, better acting is needed. But she doesn't suck.

I kept thinking he is finally showing his age and I thought it was a nice touch that he had trouble getting up the stairs.

All the look of technology was good, Romulan ships too...new Birds of Prey.

I guess this might go in a spoiler so

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Oh look, the Romulans have a Borg cube and Data's daughter is in the friggin middle of it.

I'm not sure how far I want them to go with bringing back the old. Meaning we already know various cast members will be there, will they all get together and command a ship again?

 

I was getting definite Blade Runner vibes from it. Off-world synths rebelling on Mars, now outlawed etc

 

Interesting note that TNG ended with a poker game and Picard opens with a poker game for symmetry and they also incorporated "blue skies" in a creepy tune that Data/B4 sang in Nemesis so the ending of both TNG movies and TV series are in that one scene.

I kind of hope B4 blew himself up by opening a pringles can or something.

 

hahah harsh!

 

I love the Quantum Archives.

 

Seriously, the above picture gave me the Jedi archives vibe.

 

yah I'm thinking Inner Light might be due for a rewatch at some point too as relevant. Probably Tapestry too, if we don't get our Q fix (which I am not ruling out but as powerful as Q is, he's kind of a single episode character and not a big arc character cuz his episodes twist tonally)

I do like the analogy that the Romulans could be seen as a repressed immigrant minority and Picard straight up plays into those in power not looking out for a larger humanitarian good with Picard straight up shouting "It wasn't Starfleet anymore!!"

Although about what those Rommies and humans are doing at the end

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I mean, it could be something like they're rebuilding a Borg cube for good reasons (I mean, I don't know how one could build a Borg cube and have benevolent intentions at heart though), I am totally okay if Picard himself is proven wrong that "Yeah, no, sorry, the Romulans are still universe conquering evil folk who are trying to remake the freakin' Borg". Maybe they're building it for science stuff related to synths and then you get a gat-damn Borg invasion because, as stated before, THIS IS A TERRIBLE IDEA. Like Q himself said



I'm also of the opinion that Picard's bad dreams aren't just bad dreams, considering he has heard the collective in his head. Although you'd figure they'd be more Borg related than Data/synth related.

As for the B4/Data Countdown comic, hey, maybe B4 became Data for like a week or something (really active Romulan supernova week) but as mentioned he's an "inferior copy" and then exploded opening a can of pringles.

 

The Countdown comic from 2009 was never canon. It already got contradicted with the 2009 Star Trek movie.

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I don't think that the original Countdown comic fits the continuity at all. In the comic, Data was "resurrected" in B-4's body. In Picard, we see that B-4 was actually disassembled.
The comic had Picard become an Ambassador. In Star Trek: Picard, we learn that he actually became Admiral and stepped down not long before the supernova.
In the comic, the star that went supernova wasn't the sun of the Romulan system.
It doesn't mean anything if the tie-in material is written by the authors of the show. It has happened before that they contradicted their own tie-in material while writing the shows.