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Amph Marvel's Falcon & Winter Soldier [Disney+]

Discussion in 'Community' started by Bilbo Fett, May 20, 2019.

  1. nilzo antonio

    nilzo antonio Jedi Master star 4

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  2. Sith_Sensei__Prime

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  3. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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  4. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Not really a spoiler but, I'll tag anyway

    John Walker as
    "Cap"
     
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  5. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    via ComicBook.com, Rotten Tomatoes TV interview with Anthony Mackie who says
    "So, with The Falcon vs. Winter Soldier, Sebastian Stan and I, we really get to develop that relationship between the two of us, and you get to see it unfold. You know, 'cause we were never really friends. And we still aren't really friends."

    Not a surprise. Cute that Mackie acknowledged that with his take on the show's title.
     
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  6. Master_Lok

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  7. heels1785

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    edit: nm, clickbait. the internet was a bad idea.
     
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  8. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 7

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    Dammit heels, don't do that to me! [face_waiting]
     
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    I want this thread upped all day to shame heels. You have hurt my soul.
     
  10. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 7

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    heels is the kind of person who won't even pull his seat forward in a VW. [face_shame_on_you]
     
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  11. Juliet316

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    At least he's not a bandwagoner like @dp4m
     
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  12. dp4m

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    heels is literally the Every City Bandwagoner!
     
  13. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    So... what do you guys hope is the endgoal for Walker? Straight up inadequate successor and antagonist, or could he be humbled into USAgent?
     
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  14. heels1785

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    [​IMG]
     
  15. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Both are great options. I wouldn’t be surprised if
    Zemo is pulling Walker’s strings. If so, I’d prefer they do not mirror Bucky’s path to redemption. Wyatt
    could play it either way, so...
     
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  16. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 5 Staff Member Manager

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    I speculated two ways to go a long time ago:

    The simplest is to have Walker simply prove himself inadequate-but-in-denial, or reveal him as Zemo or someone else’s puppet, with it kind of depending on what the overall direction with Zemo is: if they want to build on the “destroy the Avengers through asymmetrical warfare” idea for him, than Walker is his tool to disgrace the legacy of Captain America, but if they want Zemo to be possibly useful for something like Thunderbolts, then having Walker be a separate autonomous antagonist that Zemo can wryly use as proof of his arguments would be better.

    ...And in my most rampant speculation, I want Sam to remain an “Outlaw” Captain America for a while longer, because I want *someone* to be a recurring “Evil Cap” on a possible Dark Avengers team that can fit into a world where the Avengers and X-Men can both get a powerful Earth-bound foe. Walker could either work as that Cap, or become USAgent on a Thunderbolts team that can be fed to Dark Avengers in a darkly ironic twist of villains-turned-heroes being slaughtered by villains-masquerading-better-as-heroes.
     
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  17. Bilbo Fett

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    I've assumed at the series open that Sam wouldn't have the shield or be officially acknowledged as any sort of successor to Cap. I thought that would likely be due to Ross nursing old grudges against both Steve and Sam for bucking him since Civil War. But as it turns out:

    https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/anthony-mackie-interview

    Asked about the Disney+ series, Mackie won’t go into detail about what’s ahead for Sam, but he’s more at ease discussing the character’s current headspace. “At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Sam never accepted the shield. Sam never said he was going to be Captain America. Sam never said he wanted to be Captain America. So, in the series, you learn who’s going to be Captain America, who the shield is passed down to, and where we go from there.”
     
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  18. dp4m

    dp4m JCC Playoff Pick 'Em Winner, Also a Narc star 10 VIP - Game Winner

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    I mean, that's not at all what was happening, implied or otherwise, in that scene -- both in words, and in music leitmotifs, but... sure?
     
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  19. Bilbo Fett

    Bilbo Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    I would agree. It may be a case of poor wording on Mackie's part with

    "By the time the show starts Sam has decided ..." being closer to what he intended. We'll see.
     
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  20. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Still no start date for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier ? [face_waiting]

    As far as Falcon, I am good with the path they chart for Sam.
     
  21. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Thread Reaper and Rumor Nay-Sayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    My theory:
    They incorporate several plotlines from the comics, namely...
    1. They go the “Super Patriot” route. Walker was groomed for his outlook of “my country, right or wrong” before being given the super-soldier serum.
    2. As such, Walker is absolutely rubbish at living up to Steve Rogers’ legacy.
    3. This was all a part of the Red Skull’s Baron Zemo’s plan to discredit the reputation of Captain America.
     
  22. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    =D= Your theory

    Which will make it even harder for Sam to step up (Though he most certainly will - I so look forward to that.)
     
  23. Todd the Jedi

    Todd the Jedi Mod and Treasure Lover of SWTV star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    They announced it in December, starting a bit after WandaVision ends-
     
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  24. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    ...Oooh! March 19th...[face_party]

    thank you :)
     
  25. Sarge

    Sarge Chosen One star 7

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    Oh yeah! That's what I've been waiting for!

    Ever since Winter Soldier, I've said Sam Wilson/Falcon is my favorite character. Well, in that trailer he jumped out of a C-130. You know what that means? He now owns all the cool points. :cool:
     
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