Discussion in 'Community' started by Bilbo Fett, May 20, 2019.
August 2020 has been thrown around for some time now, so it's a matter of what day in August.
Yes, I went there.
Not really a spoiler but, I'll tag anyway
John Walker as
via ComicBook.com, Rotten Tomatoes TV interview with Anthony Mackie who says
"So, with The Falcon vs. Winter Soldier, Sebastian Stan and I, we really get to develop that relationship between the two of us, and you get to see it unfold. You know, 'cause we were never really friends. And we still aren't really friends."
Not a surprise. Cute that Mackie acknowledged that with his take on the show's title.
and a repost, recent interview with Sebastian on the show's production delay.
edit: nm, clickbait. the internet was a bad idea.
Dammit heels, don't do that to me!
I want this thread upped all day to shame heels. You have hurt my soul.
heels is the kind of person who won't even pull his seat forward in a VW.
At least he's not a bandwagoner like @dp4m
heels is literally the Every City Bandwagoner!
So... what do you guys hope is the endgoal for Walker? Straight up inadequate successor and antagonist, or could he be humbled into USAgent?
Both are great options. I wouldn’t be surprised if
Zemo is pulling Walker’s strings. If so, I’d prefer they do not mirror Bucky’s path to redemption. Wyatt
could play it either way, so...
I speculated two ways to go a long time ago:
The simplest is to have Walker simply prove himself inadequate-but-in-denial, or reveal him as Zemo or someone else’s puppet, with it kind of depending on what the overall direction with Zemo is: if they want to build on the “destroy the Avengers through asymmetrical warfare” idea for him, than Walker is his tool to disgrace the legacy of Captain America, but if they want Zemo to be possibly useful for something like Thunderbolts, then having Walker be a separate autonomous antagonist that Zemo can wryly use as proof of his arguments would be better.
...And in my most rampant speculation, I want Sam to remain an “Outlaw” Captain America for a while longer, because I want *someone* to be a recurring “Evil Cap” on a possible Dark Avengers team that can fit into a world where the Avengers and X-Men can both get a powerful Earth-bound foe. Walker could either work as that Cap, or become USAgent on a Thunderbolts team that can be fed to Dark Avengers in a darkly ironic twist of villains-turned-heroes being slaughtered by villains-masquerading-better-as-heroes.
I've assumed at the series open that Sam wouldn't have the shield or be officially acknowledged as any sort of successor to Cap. I thought that would likely be due to Ross nursing old grudges against both Steve and Sam for bucking him since Civil War. But as it turns out:
Asked about the Disney+ series, Mackie won’t go into detail about what’s ahead for Sam, but he’s more at ease discussing the character’s current headspace. “At the end of Avengers: Endgame, Sam never accepted the shield. Sam never said he was going to be Captain America. Sam never said he wanted to be Captain America. So, in the series, you learn who’s going to be Captain America, who the shield is passed down to, and where we go from there.”
I mean, that's not at all what was happening, implied or otherwise, in that scene -- both in words, and in music leitmotifs, but... sure?
I would agree. It may be a case of poor wording on Mackie's part with
"By the time the show starts Sam has decided ..." being closer to what he intended. We'll see.
Still no start date for The Falcon and The Winter Soldier ?
As far as Falcon, I am good with the path they chart for Sam.
They incorporate several plotlines from the comics, namely...
1. They go the “Super Patriot” route. Walker was groomed for his outlook of “my country, right or wrong” before being given the super-soldier serum.
2. As such, Walker is absolutely rubbish at living up to Steve Rogers’ legacy.
3. This was all a part of the Red Skull’s Baron Zemo’s plan to discredit the reputation of Captain America.
Which will make it even harder for Sam to step up (Though he most certainly will - I so look forward to that.)
They announced it in December, starting a bit after WandaVision ends-
...Oooh! March 19th...
Oh yeah! That's what I've been waiting for!
Ever since Winter Soldier, I've said Sam Wilson/Falcon is my favorite character. Well, in that trailer he jumped out of a C-130. You know what that means? He now owns all the cool points.