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JCC Mass shooting of the week

Discussion in 'Community' started by KnightWriter, May 6, 2023.

  1. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've thought off and on for years about restarting a thread I first posted on the temporary boards.

    Here is this week's mass shooting:

    https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/allen-texas-mall-shooting-05-06-23/index.html


    Unfortunately, I assume that there will be weeks with several mass-casualty shootings.
     
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  2. DarthTunick

    DarthTunick SFTC VII + Deadpool BOFF star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Ehhh, isn’t this why we have the Gun Control thread? These could stay in there?
     
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  3. Adam of Nuchtern

    Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost star 6

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    Yeah, I don’t see why this topic needs to be separated from the other thread.
     
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  4. Lady_Belligerent

    Lady_Belligerent Queen of the RPF, SWC, C&P, and Pancakes & Waffles star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    This one was way too close to me. :(
     
  5. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    Hot take the thread should be called Mass Shooting of the Day
     
  6. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I thought about it.
     
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  7. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Yup. And it's also less trauma-inducing of a title.
     
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  8. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    People overuse the word trauma, without truly knowing what it is.

    The title is slightly triggering, not "trauma-inducing".
     
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  9. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Triggering sounds worse than trauma-inducing. But I understand what trauma is.
     
  10. Harpua

    Harpua Chosen One star 9

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    Trauma is a pervasive problem. It results from exposure to an incident or series of events that are emotionally disturbing or life-threatening with lasting adverse effects on the individual's functioning and mental, physical, social, emotional, and/or spiritual well-being.

    Thia doesn't happen from reading thread titles.
     
  11. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    You don't think having a snarky reminder of our mass shooting problem as a thread title would bring up traumatic responses from people affected by gun violence?
     
  12. Jabba-wocky

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    This is a very weird direction for you all to go, but the hill that we’re dying on is whether it is trauma-evoking (“brings memories of trauma to mind”) or trauma-inducing (“generates new memories of trauma”).
     
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  13. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It wasn't "snarky" eleven years ago and it damned sure isn't that way now. I know because I came up with the title. When I posted the first version of this thread in 2012, the words "Sandy Hook" or "Newtown" would likely have induced blank stares from most people, instead of recognition from many. It only garners some current awareness because of who died and how many. How many mass shootings since then have faded from collective memory, to the extent they were known at all?

    If anything, "mass shooting of the week" is an understatement. A more accurate title would be what @Lord Vivec suggested. It's closer to where we're at now.

    More on today's shooting:

     
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  14. DarthTunick

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    I can't disagree with that logically, but still, there's a thread for this... perhaps that threat title could be changed, etc. :p
     
  15. KnightWriter

    KnightWriter Administrator Emeritus star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    It's a very old thread and is about (or should be about) gun control in general, rather than specific events.

    "Gun control" is also a sanitized term for what we're talking about, which is mass death.
     
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  16. DarthTunick

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    I get the focus on the specific event part, but the oldness of that thread doesn't matter (the Arena NBA thread has been around since '06, for instance).


    Still feel like we're splitting hairs here, but I can see what you're trying to accomplish; it's not a bad thing.
     
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  17. Lowbacca_1977

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    What you're describing at this point is not "giving rise to trauma", but "causing someone emotional distress, typically as a result of arousing feelings or memories associated with a particular traumatic experience". The latter is what triggering would be. Trauma-inducing would be that it's causing the trauma, not that it's reminding people they already have trauma.

    I feel like if the concern is that this would bring up traumatic responses from people affected, "gun control" could do that, too. I don't really see why the expectation one thing would bring it up but another wouldn't. But then, for years after being shot at I had a much more visceral response to car horns and car engines than to things that sounded like gunfire. So I'm fairly familiar with the idea that people are not going to respond most to the thing that they 'should', it could be any part of the experience, or something that reminds them of any part of it. That seems as true of 'gun control' as it does 'mass shooting of the week'.
     
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  18. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    Well with the voting machine lawsuit and the firing of Tucker Carlson Fox News has seen the light concerning this latest shooting.

    HAHA, just kidding.

     
  19. SuperWatto

    SuperWatto Chosen One star 7

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    "Our" mass shooting problem

    This whole thread: Americentrism +1
     
  20. Jedi Ben

    Jedi Ben Chosen One star 9

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    To accurately capture the US' plague of gun murder, a week is too generous and unspecific. Even a day fails due to the quantim so shooting of the hour is it.
     
  21. Ramza

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    Have to make it harder for me to ad block by putting it up without a Senate tag, obviously.

    Edit:
    This seems like an effective way to basically reproduce the exact same conversations in two threads and generate lots of hilarious mod requests to take it to the mass death thread, and not much else.
     
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  22. Rylo Ken

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    Also privileging mass shootings over the much larger problem of gun violence is the kind of misdirection that CNN and Fox News and MSNBC and name a news outlet are already providing for us. It was a pleasant springlike weekend in Chicago so the shooting tally here should easily reach into the dozens.
     
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  23. JoinTheSchwarz

    JoinTheSchwarz Former Head Admin star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    The solution to the thread’s dilemma is for everyone to never post again.
     
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  24. Bacon164

    Bacon164 Chosen One star 8

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    the solution is to obviously split the forum in two
     
  25. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 10

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    There has been lots of thoughts about this thread reproducing conversation. Nothing could be further from the truth. The topic of this thread is to produce more navel-hazing than Comms about board procedure as the topic mostly provokes/hosts debates about the justification for its own existence.
     
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