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Mature themes V 3.0 - How do you take your nookiee? Cream and Sugar or Neat?

Discussion in 'Fan Fiction and Writing Resource' started by DarthBreezy, Nov 27, 2005.

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  1. Lusa_Thul

    Lusa_Thul Jedi Master star 4

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    I posted my entry for the Rainbow Challange on the thread you set up, not on its own. Do you just want that, or should I repost it in its own thread? :)
     
  2. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Please link it here if it's a long multi post or post it in the thread for a viggy!:)
     
  3. Lusa_Thul

    Lusa_Thul Jedi Master star 4

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    Nope just a viggie. Rock on! :)
     
  4. Dantana Skywalker

    Dantana Skywalker Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    In my experience, I've found that there's a huge difference between "good" nookie and "bad" nookie. "Good" is something while it's titillating, it also somehow manages not to stop the story dead in its tracks. I can't count the number of novels I've read where I read the first sex scene to get a feel for the author's style, and then skipped all the rest of the 90 scenes exactly like it in the 300 page book. Kind of a "Oh, look, they're taking their clothes off again. I think I'll skip the next six page- Oh, wait, they're still at it." Beatrice Small is awful at smut, and gets into some really gross situations with florid, overly descriptive detail; Janet Evanovich manages to convey exactly what the people are doing with a fairly small minimum of fuss and description--she even usually cuts it off just as foreplay starts.

    "Bad" sex scenes are ones that are written solely for the purpose of making characters do naughty things, usually with the added caveat of, "Hey, look how many four-letter-words I can fit into this sentence!" I always avoid crude words when I write. I don't like them, I think they're demeaning and unnecessary, even in a PWP 'fic. Plus, I think they're a cop-out. It's so much more of a challenge to get your meaning across and be creative when you don't let yourself fall back on a short vocabulary list of descriptors.

    Something I've noticed in a lot of smutfics is that they're horridly cheesy. I usually don't even bother reading them unless I know an author's regular work, because I have an idea of how an author will handle the portrayals. I hate it when the characters act in-character during the normal part of the story, then hideously OOC suring the sex scenes. I read something recently where the majority of the dialogue was "OOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooohhhhhh!!!!!!!!!" (I'm not kidding, I quoted that straight out of the story.) There's no reason to shoot for quantity instead of quality. If there's going to be sex in a story (and a lot of stories have it, even if it's in a PG-fic), there's no good reason to get silly and let your quality slide just because you want to write about screaming, sweating, and unusual contortions not normally possible for a human being (or even some alien ones).

    I've also found that it's possible to have a screen-melting story, and for it to remain solidly PG, maybe slightly edging towards PG-13, but still staying within the bounds of the boards. It all has to do with mind games. Basically, you have to keep the content itself within the standards of the board, but you have to inspire a picture in the mind of the reader that goes beyond what the words on the screen say. That way, you're still perfectly within the limits, it all becomes the reader's fault. :p

    I wrote one like this a few years ago, and it's posted on these boards (don't have the link handy, I'll have to go hunt it down), where there's a scene with a great deal of heat and tension, but the characters don't even touch each other through the majority of the scene. One character is missing his shirt, but there's no other removal of clothing, no mention of throbbing body parts, no groping or wandering hands, not even any kissing. All the characters were doing, technically, was talking. They just happened to be doing it with the female pinned to the wall, and the male keeping them trapped there--still not touching!--while he whispered in her ear. And yet I still got reviews where the reader said their screen melted. [face_laugh]

    I think the trick is in word choice--it takes me forever to write mush or smut because I very carefully select each word to prompt an image in the reader's mind--and, frankly, knowing where to draw the line. Implication an insinuation are your friends in these situations. Let the reader's mind do most of the word, rather than your words, if you're doing something as sensitive as writing about nookie.

    I had more, but I had to retype this post 'cause my browser crashed. I might remember something else I was going to say later . . .


    Da
     
  5. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Just a freindly 'up' to see if we can revitalize the discussion.:)
     
  6. Pandora

    Pandora Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I read something recently where the majority of the dialogue was "OOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooohhhhhh!!!!!!!!!"

    That sounds familiar. Probably because it's making memories of one of the most freaked out fics I ever found dance in front of my eyes...

    The TOS here prevent me (and as a benefit, spare me) from saying much of anything about it, but it was Buffy the Vampire Slayer fan fic, and the dialogue, such as it was, involved characters impersonating Al Pacino. As in, at crucial moments going, "Boooo-Yaaaaaa!" or whatever it is Pacino is supposed to do.

    Then there was the unnnnnnnuggggghhhh fanfic. No, no one was lying prostrate with a migraine where that was the only sound they could utter.

    Those stories definately had an effect, but since I don't think the authors intended me to laugh and laugh, it wasn't the one they wanted.
     
  7. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Unlocking, bumping for revitalized discussion.

    Please suggest new topics here!
     
  8. KrystalBlaze

    KrystalBlaze Jedi Master star 5

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    Did we already do homosexuality? We should do it again! :p

    -Krystal
     
  9. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Well, it's been a year, I'm game!

    I have a pair of OC's who's background has never been explored on that level (ie, how they met and such).

    I was thinking of having a mini database about 'homosexual OCs' in here as I don't think there are enough of them to warrant a full thread. Also, as this is the 'Mature themes' thread, we don't have to worry about people stumbling upon said same unexpectedly.

    Edited to add - I was thinking of calling the database, "I'm just not wired that way, SSR OC's come out, come out, where ever you are!"
     
  10. oqidaun

    oqidaun Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    How about writing a TOS friendly good ol'fashioned healthy romp in the hay, gay or straight?


    EDIT:
    I'm keen on talking about OCs. :D

    **I didn't see Breezy's post**
     
  11. KrystalBlaze

    KrystalBlaze Jedi Master star 5

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    Like that idea, as well as Breezy's database idea, but I'd think we'd only have the two of mine and yours. :p

    -Krystal

    Edit: I lie, I've got three! :D
     
  12. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Actually, you might be surprised...

    There are a LOT of board friendly OC's of that persuasion....
     
  13. oqidaun

    oqidaun Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I've three as well. :p
     
  14. Luton_Plunder

    Luton_Plunder Jedi Knight star 3

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    *Raises hand*

    Two right over here :p
     
  15. Merlyn_Gabriel

    Merlyn_Gabriel Jedi Master star 4

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    well I guess I am coming into this thread late, I try to read through the boards but there is a lot to read, this is an interesting thread.

    I always felt that writing about sex fell into three broad catagories. The pornographic play by play and / or how to, the mushy romance story that revolved around getting the heroine into bed, plot was optional and usually thin, and the sex that developed from the love story that was an integral part of the plot.

    I like to write sexual tension scenes where you get the idea without me as an author having to spell it out for you. Create the mood by describing the mood not the actual act. Those who are sexually active know HOW it's done and those who don't will find out eventually.

    I've written my fair share of smut but that usually pretty soft core and only for friends. The purpose of writing sex scenes unless you are really writing a how to book, is to elicit an emotion from your reader which hopefully doesn't make them go EEEEEwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. I enjoy the challenge writing good love scenes brings. How to make the reader FEEL and want every bit as much as the characters do. This is both hard and fun ( no pun intended, well maybe a little.)

    I don't use euphemisms for boy/girl parts because let's face it we know what they are called and coming up with silly names to describe a male erection for example, is more silly than mood making. (I often poke fun of this in my stories.)I try to avoid using nouns at all. I don't need to. If I tell my readers that X is aroused...they know what that means. If they don't then probably that's a good thing as well.They don't need a how big, how hard, how long, description.

    I suppose I tend towards the keep it simple rule of thumb.
    I don't write slash so I can't speak for that genre at all.

    cool thread. Cool topic.
    -thanks


     
  16. JadeSolo

    JadeSolo Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    10 Things I Hate About You was on TV over the weekend, and one of my favorite scenes is when Allison Janney's character is busy writing a smutty novel but has trouble coming up with a description for Reginald's member. [face_laugh] I say, just skip that trouble entirely. The very few times I wrote sex scenes, I started giggling when I tried to describe body parts. Maybe that's because I'm immature and need some desensitivity training, but I just can't do it. Plus, when you look at romance novels, the best ones don't describe tabs and slots. They go into emotions, connections, pleasures - you get the feeling the characters are almost on a higher plane of existence.
     
  17. Golden_Jedi

    Golden_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Hellooo...:D

    Well, since I'm guilty as charged of writing more than one sex scene, I think it's time I let myself be seen around here... :rolleyes:

    How did I get to write sex scenes? In truth, I wasn't plannning it... Well, not much at least. I was very new to fanfiction and I had read next to nothing of it, and only one or two erotic things. Then this fic about Han and Leia and the voyague from Hoth to Bespin popped in my head and I realized that if I was to write it I needed to write one. So there I went...

    It was not easy at all, for many reason. First of all I was very new to writing, and English is not my first language, so there was a lot of vocabulary I totally ignored:p. Second, I was scared to death people would be disgusted by it, because the scene was not exactly the usual smut snippet. Third reason, my catholic upbringing, but that doesn't have anything to do here.

    Anyway, I had some good reviews about it, so, again, I said to myself. Ok, you can do it, but you don't need to go through this nightmare again. So, when I started posting the sequel to that story, the first thing I said to my reader was they shouldn't expect more sex scenes from me... They didn't believe me, and they were right, so now my credibility is at a minimum.

    OK, to the point. I don't like clinical details, nor gutter-like vocabulary, unless it's part of the scene. I'm halfway between realistic and romantic, I guess, and I like that the scene makes some sense in the story.


    [face_laugh] (nervous laugh)
     
  18. JadeSolo

    JadeSolo Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Third reason, my catholic upbringing, but that doesn't have anything to do here.

    That's actually an interesting point, though. Sometimes I wonder if my approach to reading and writing sex is influenced by my upbringing. Although Indians come off as a very conservative lot, you've got Bollywood movies which up the sexuality so much it's almost ridiculous. Example: in a recent Bollywood film, there was a bug hubbub over an onscreen kiss, but generally there's no problem with kissing hands, arms, necks, and stomachs.

    In the same way, I don't care much about the primary anatomy, but I like to know what's going on with the rest of the body. :p
     
  19. dianethx

    dianethx Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Keeping it 'family freindly' or via PM, many writers here dabble in it. It's part of life, and part of nature.
    If you write 'Nookiee', how do you handle it? Do you gloss over the details or give blow by blow? (And if it's the latter, how do you write it without looking like a bad letter to Penthouse forum?) Is it always human? (Not gender specific) or if you DO brave "Wookiee Nookiee", or... yeah, THAT (yes, even yours truely has a squick level!) How on EARTH can yu do it?


    Since I answered the question about nookie many many moons ago, I've now written one slash story (it was a comedy with Yoda and JarJar - it was supposed to be a joke fic :p and I made people go ewwwwww) and am writing slash drabbles (which I prefer over longer stories) with my favorite human Jedi. I'm still giggling whenever I write about anatomy - so I avoid that part of description whenever possible. I go more for the emotion than the slot A and Tab B.

    I still prefer writing het. stories over slash, I guess because I know more about het. [face_batting] but I read both kinds.

    As for Jade's question about upbringing, I'm from a fairly conservative Boston background so it took me a looonnnggg time to write any sex and, even now, it's more handwaving than anything else. And I blush, too, when I'm writing sex fics.
     
  20. DarthBreezy

    DarthBreezy Chosen One star 6

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    Right - I've opened up the broad topic of SEX. Straight, slashy - what ever!!

    Also, We'll do a challenge starting very soon - possibly a three part challenge - stay tuned!
     
  21. Golden_Jedi

    Golden_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My catholic upbringing consisted basically on two statements:

    1) sex is BAD
    2) you don't talk about sex except to say it's BAD

    :p

    Fortunately, my parents are fairly tolerant about it compared to other people, although the second rule was still strictly observed. Everything with a sex content was frowned upon by my parents and called 'vulgar' or 'innecessary'. Of course, in most cases they were right, but they still passed to me that kind of message. Later in life I got to have some serious conversations with my mom, but I was already an adult with my own opinions about things.

    Maybe it has something to do with the time during which I grew up. You see, we had a military dictatorship for government, very catholic and very conservative. Of course, very hipocritical too, the typical 'do what I say not what I do' line of thought. Movies were censored and even forbidden to exhibit if they were judged inconvenient for us to see. We had the first half-decent democratic government in over 20 year just when I was about to turn 18.

    Has anyone read 'Doña Flor and her two husbands' from Jorge Amado? (yes, there was a movie too). It a wonderful tale about sex, food, love and life. :)

     
  22. Healer_Leona

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    I'll have to admit while not writing postable things here as of late, I've continued to write a bit with non postable fics.

    I've done both vague and explicit smut. For me it's really only an extention of their lives for me as I've not done odd pairings or changed what might be veiwed as their sexual preference. Most times it comes from going past the closed bedroom door after I'd written a postable fic. Most times, it's just to write something out of system.

    I will also embarassingly admit to having to visualize it well and be in that frame of mind in order to write it. If not, the words just aren't there.

    I see it as being no different then most things written, you're writing in order to elicit certain emotions from you reader. Sometimes it works, other times, not so much. ;)

    I'm open to most things in my .... more mature age. :p Quite the change coming from a home that didn't speak of sex or anything else.
     
  23. Alley_Skywalker

    Alley_Skywalker Jedi Master star 4

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    Oooh?I like this thread. I?ve written all of two sex scenes. Nether of them posted?yet. (this does not include a non-graphic slash rape scene of mine?stuff there was more implied then stated. Like you knew what was happening but you were never actually TOLD.)
    The first sex scene was in an original fic (part of my NaNoWriMo project) and that was in no way graphic. It focused more on Ashley?s and Terren?s emotions rather then what they were actually doing.
    The other one was?a lot more graphic. This one was a slash scene. It was fanfic (Obi/Ani actually) and umm?it made me a little uncomfortable. It was my first attempt at HJL and I have to say, just like many have stated, all the ?anatomy? description really gave me pause. I really don?t know why since I never have a problem with reading that kind of stuff?lol.
     
  24. DarthBreezy

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    Just remember folks, we have to keep actual links etc to Board friendly things, including PM invites (18 plus - and you probably should check profiles). The challenges will be within our limits, but we're a creative bunch, I'm sure this won't be an issue!
     
  25. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrel Wrangler of Fun & Games star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    Quite right Breezy.

    It'd be nice if my muse would wake from her slumber to get some writing done. :(
     
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