Maverick of the Living Force ~~~New Challenge: First Padawan Important Announcement ~~~~

Morning people... There oughta be a law against them!

 

"'Not a morning person' doesn't even begin to cover it."

KD

 

Hey, all, just thought I'd let you know I'm lurking here. I just don't have much to say, usually.

I imagine Qui-Gon as a definite morning person, with a bit of a relaxed attitude at home. He keeps himself in control on missions and in public, but back in his quarters his willing to let things slide a bit. I imagine teacups on the table in the common room, a few dirty socks in the bed chamber--nothing big and completely messy, just a bit of hominess. And of course he would have plants everywhere, including some that are slightly sentient.

 

In honor of the Irish Jedi not getting an Icon for St. Pats and probably not getting on the banner again tomorrow either... I give you this image (top row rightmost) found the other day...

http://www.gla.ac.uk/~cmc1z/fantasy_celts_b/fantasy_celts_17.html not linked directly because so often for some reason they don't like it...

KD

 

Oh man! That was hilarious!! The Yoda one was juz too much! Thanks for sharing! That was great!

 

That was just soooo odd! At least they didn't make Darth Maul's face black and green

 

LOL KD that was so funny!!! Thanks for the laugh I really needed that

Today is my first full day on the job ... wheee...

I came home during my break and took a nice cat nap -- man I don't know what I'd do without my 3 hour break... I'm loving it already

 

I killed the thread! Where is everyone?

 

I was away for the weekend, going to a convention. And now I'm working on a story (which is NOT cooperating so I'm trying to beat it into submission) Unfortunately, it's beating back.

 

I think that Qui-Gon might have appreciated the differences between the old Jedi Order and the new one. Especially, the end of that old "no attachment" rule. He would have made a wonderful mentor for Luke as well. Too bad Lucas didn't think of him until much later!

 

Hm, well, I do disagree, I'm afraid. While I think he'd appreciate more fluidity in the Order, I can't help but feel that the jettisoning of most of the Jedi Code ("Arrrr, it be more of a guideline!") would concern him and distress him deeply.

I think the Luke's Jedi Order would be very different if Qui-Gon had survived. Although, I also feel that Anakin might not have turned so easily if Qui-Gon had been there to complete his training; I have a feeling Palpatine would have been detected for what he truly is much sooner.

My 2 creds' worth... if THAT much!

 

I think Qui-Gon was incredibly dedicated to the spirit of being a Jedi. And less dedicated to the letter of the Code. I also think that, from what I remember of the New Order, he would have had serious reservations about some of it. I seem to remember it as considerably less self-less service oriented than I think Qui-Gon would have felt the Order should be. But then I haven't read any new or reread any of the already read EU in at least three years. So my memory could be at fault as to how the new Order worked.

KD

 

I have been informed by a friend at work that Qui-Gon was on the Clone Wars cartoon last night. Missed it! Darn! Being all masterly but then he always is.



Edit:
Announcement I've told the Obi crowd and now I'm telling you. As of next week, I will be in severe lurkerdom due to not having access to the internet except for a 1/2 hour at work. So I might be able to change the title bar on the challenge thread but not update the indexes until I get back on. It's nothing bad, just I'm moving and will be houseless for a while - anywhere from 2 weeks to 2 months. Hopefully, I'll have access to a computer so I can write but we shall see.

So if we are going to have another challenge, could we do it sometime the end of this week so I can up the thread? And get it going before I go Lurker. Thanks.

I will do something of an announcement on my story and the challenge thread when I get home. And the author's announcement thread.

 

Best of luck to you in the move Diane!! Moving sucks We've been through three in the last two years..

 

Poor Leona. You're so deprived.

Had to pop in, because I can honestly say that I like Qui-Gon's opinions of what the Jedi should be - at times. I think he was upset with the Order for the reasons people have said before, that the rules were too strict. This is a man who goes with his very in-the-moment feelings. You can't live like that and still follow so many rules. And if he did follow a rule, it was simply whatever the will of the Force decreed.

Luke's NJO was built more around the way Luke was trained, seems like. That is, the Dark Side is evil and bad and don't you ever go near it, little padawan! There was this terror of what the Dark Side could do to a person. Luke was also trained more as a Jedi warrior than as a diplomat or peacekeeping philosopher. So when he touched on dark feelings during a fight, he probably was more than a little unnerved. As a fighter and pilot in the Rebellion, he can't just give up his duty to defending people. But I think it made him vary wary of ever attacking and making the first strike.

Thus, you have the NJO, where Kyp is taking the fight to the Yuuzhan Vong, and Luke is taking a more defensive position.

Qui-Gon would have looked at this and said, "You're both idiots." Luke was concerned with protecting the Republic and also seemed to be paying attention to what his friends in the government were saying. Qui-Gon would've thought he was too concerned with what the politicians thoughts of him. He would've said, "If you're going to keep in mind the thoughts of others, remember to reach out to those you're protecting."

Qui-Gon would've looked at Kyp and said, "You're living in the moment, going from fight to fight, and that is good. But are you listening to the Force, or to your own emotions?"

Maybe. I don't know. Philosophising is hard.

 

Qui-Gon would have looked at this and said, "You're both idiots." Luke was concerned with protecting the Republic and also seemed to be paying attention to what his friends in the government were saying. Qui-Gon would've thought he was too concerned with what the politicians thoughts of him. He would've said, "If you're going to keep in mind the thoughts of others, remember to reach out to those you're protecting."

Qui-Gon would've looked at Kyp and said, "You're living in the moment, going from fight to fight, and that is good. But are you listening to the Force, or to your own emotions?"


Here here! I so 100% agree JadeSolo! And I most definitely could see Qui saying those words as he shakes his head sadly at what has come to be.

 

i just love qui gon jinn.... what can i say?
he´s perfect ( at least for me ). he was a great jedi, and he was not really concerned about the rules ( great ).
He was focused in helping people, he could feel other people´s feelings, he always did what he must, not what others told him.

revolutionary jedi qui gon !!

 

Qui-Gon would have looked at this and said, "You're both idiots." Jade you are so funny but I think you're right about what he would have said to Luke and Kyp (especially Kyp).

However, I still contend that he wasn't as much of a rogue as fanon implies. After all, he did obey the Council when he was told not to train Anakin (well, for the most part - not obviously anyway). And he went on the missions assigned to him (he may have gotten creative with the solutions but he did get the jobs done). A complete rogue would have gone off and left the Jedi to do his own thing.


Now, for something completely different... in the Clone Wars last episode, Ani makes a crack about how Obi-Wan is no Qui-Gon Jinn. He apologizes later but there is that undercurrent that Obi-Wan could never live up to Qui-Gon's example. Do you think that Anakin always thinks of Qui-Gon as the epitome of a Jedi? Because he is or because he died after Ani only knew him for a few days and never saw the hero's flaws?

 

I think it would be easy for Anakin to see Qui-Gon, as the first Jedi he ever met, to be what all Jedi should be like. I always imagined that in that brief amount of time Anakin knew Qui-Gon, they bonded, and then Anakin is left with Obi-Wan and a relationship that started with a lot of baggage (ie Anakin knew Obi didn't think he should be trained, Obi was grieving, Anakin missed his mother, etc.)

I think Anakin must have wondered at times how different things would have been if Qui-Gon had trained him. When he was frustrated, it could have also become this, if Qui-Gon had trained me, this wouldn't have happened sort of thing. I don't know.

Does anyone think that a small part of Anakin blamed Obi-Wan for letting Qui-Gon die?

 

Does anyone think that a small part of Anakin blamed Obi-Wan for letting Qui-Gon die?

Not a small part...