Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

I think his point is that they weren't manned consistently, especially during routine hours, unless on a specific science mission which had the scientist at the Science station?

 

And lot of the science functions were often performed by Data and Wesley at Con and Ops.

 

The explanation is likely budget. In Generations they added more consoles and had the bridge populated. In the show they just didn't want to waste money on extras doing nothing in the background.

 

All good points. I realize that it's all related to budget/story, but the computerization that seems to have taken over bridge positions on Starfleet ships seems to have gone too far.

Changing topics, I have read:

-The Left Hand of Destiny duology - good
-Prey trilogy - decent
-Destiny trilogy - amazing

What novels would anyone recommend next?

 

Just rewatched Parallels and finally noticed that cardassian Starfleet officer on the bridge.

It also made me wonder about something I had before, that being how the bajorans managed to overpower the cardassian empire and apparently embark on a campaign of revanchism and aggression.

 

That was also the reality where Picard was killed at Wolf 359 and Riker was the captain. Maybe Picard had been more of a moderating force on Ro Laren, and the events of the episode "Ro Laren" unfolded quite differently in that timeline. Maybe the Bajorans felt betrayed or some of the Federation was willing to help them directly, only for it to bite them in the rear.

 

Picard show tidbits! It's shooting in California as opposed to Toronto where DISCO is shot, maybe Stewart wanted to be on the old Paramount lots again but probably tax incentives.

https://ew.com/tv/2018/12/10/star-trek-picard-series-different/

“It’s an extremely different rhythm than Discovery,” Kurtzman told EW exclusively. “Discovery is a bullet. Picard is a very contemplative show. It will find a balance between the speed of Discovery and the nature of what Next Gen was, but I believe it will have its own rhythm.”

Continued Kurtzman: “Without revealing too much about it, people have so many questions about Picard and what happened to him, and the idea we get to take time to answer those questions in the wake of the many, many things he’s had to deal with in Next Gen is really exciting. ‘More grounded’ is not the right way to put it, because season 2 of Discovery is also grounded. It will feel more… real-world? If that’s the right way to put it.”

Only Stewart has been cast in the spin-off so far, Kurtzman added. “The writers’ room has broken about eight episodes and we’re moving quickly, and I couldn’t be more excited about it,” he noted. There’s no premiere date announced as of yet.

Anyone think in the 1st season we'll have some long buried Locutus of Borg tidbits bubble to the surface? It was kind of random when it appeared years later in First Contact but totally worked. He DID get over it emotionally and cathartically when he snapped the Borg Queen's neck but you never know when the Borg would be filtering around in Picard's brainstem.

 

Even encountering the rogues, he still dealt with the repercussions, although that probably had more to do with the admiral lecturing him about Hugh and the refusal to use the virus. However, while the admiral couldn't have known it at the time, as it turned out, it's doubtful that infecting one ship would have destroyed the whole collective. Icheb's people tried that, and it didn't happen. The future Admiral Janeway's plan was more effective since she infected the Queen herself (which hurt the rest of the collective) when she assimilated Janeway directly.

Again, the admiral couldn't have known that, and neither could Picard. The individuality plan just caused the Collective to cut off Hugh's ship from the rest of the hive mind just like Icheb's ship was.

 

yah I think we've had a few "final" Borg stories, Best of Both World's ending is pretty final (at that point there has only been established as only 1 big Borg cube). TNG I, Borg with "individuality will stop them! Wait, nope." and in Descent they don't mention the rest of the Collective so for all intents and purposes according to that story that *was* the final Borg story, they all became Lost Boys. First Contact introduces and then kills off the Queen, all Borg supposedly dead (even though just 1 cube). Voyager finally showed Borg Space and the millions of ships they had and they ended it with blowing up Unimatrix Zero Home base and cutting off their wormhole technology. (There's also the Brannon Braga penned comic "Hive" which is his Final Final Borg story, worth a look since Braga co- wrote a hellova lot of Borg stories, a few of those "final" ones too.).

I think it's *really* likely they'll show up on Picard's show and I'm guessing he may have some Locutus still in him somewhere. And I'll eat this post if the only TNG-er that we see all season is just Jean Luc Picard.

 

Not focus but I'll be damned if they ain't showing up. Season finale, probably.

Unless it's like a "tease the Enterprise in the last minute" like Discovery S1 ended instead here with a Borg-centric teaser but I'd think it's really likely we'll see the Borg in S1 overall.

 

I'm surprised they never really dealt with the repercussions of Picard's torture at the hands of Gul Madred in the two part episode "Chains of Command." Compared to being assimilated by the Borg and being used to attack the Federation, it's a minor thing, but it was pretty severe nonetheless, especially when Madred would lie about having captured Crusher, stripped him naked, and would refuse to call him anything more than human.

 

It might have worked. The Borg were different at that point in time. First Contact probably changed the timeline. They originally had no queen and "Q Who" was the first contact with them. There even might have been no Seven of Nine in the original timeline, who later is seen talking about a pogo paradox in "Relativity", because the Hansons like the rest of the Federation never knew that something like the Borg does exist and the Borg had other priorities than assimilating biological species at that time.

And something like "Regeneration" in Enterprise never happened in the original timeline, because there never were any Borg on Earth in the pre-First Contact timeline.

 

It's a time loop-Seven agrees with Lieutenant Ducane who states the Borg are indirectly responsible for the birth of the federation. Regeneration made that pretty clear I think. Seven also says to B'lanna "the borg were present at those events" regarding Cochrane and warp flight.

I know they won't do it-but I would love it if they adapted star trek destiny and did the final borg invasion of the novels.

 

That would be awesome if they did that. I have the omnibus edition of Destiny and it was a great read. I would love to see Levar Burton and Patrick Stewart act out the scene where Picard tries to order Geordie to build thaleron weapons to fight the Borg and Geordi absolutely refuses.

 

Oh yeah that would be a wonderful scene-and you can get Nicole to reprise Ezri, Jeri to reprise Seven, as well as a few other actors for a grand finale.

I would pay a lot of money to see that adapted.

 

Maybe the Federation was originally founded without any Borg influence at all but Seven, the Borg and even Ducane and the 29nth century starfleet, even with their advanced temporal technology, aren't able to detect how things were because of the temporal cold war.

 

Saw this online and thought it was funny:

 

Does it have counterparts for the other series besides TNG? Or a Star Wars counterpart for that matter?

 

Not that I can tell for the original, DS9 or Voyager casts, but there's this:



And here's one for Star Wars:

 

anyone watch the last 2 episodes of South Park? They had Jeff Bezos on it





Totally on-point Talosian impression from Trey Parker too, it was great.