Amph [NERRRD] Observations, rhetorical questions, comments & 55 Years of Star Trek (General Thread)

Was I the only one bothered by the fact that Kira was'nt a Starfleet officer?

I know, right?

I don't want to throw shade at Majel but Rebecca and Jess

Mine is that the ship just gets refit at some point before Kirk takes command, and the smaller interiors are due to the crew size being increased (203 under Pike, over double that under Kirk).

(the turtleneck uniforms and the TOS-style appearence in The Menagerie I'm pretty confident are things that we can safely say got retconned out of existence by now)

 

She was never really a SF officer. She just put on the uniform so she wouldn't get fragged on Cardassia. After that assignment, she was back in her Bajoran uniform.

 

Starfleet has lots of uniform variants, Kirk was wearing a freaking t-shirt on the bridge half the ride to V'Ger

 

Yes, but would'nt Bajor be part of the Federation by now?

Did they just not go through with the plans to fold the militia into Starfleet?

Yuck

Well, there goes that theory...☹️ (wonder how it's appearence in Where No Man Has Gone Before is supposed to fit in, or what it's relationship is with the S1/S2 Disco uniform that was in service as far back as 2239)

Okay, new headcanon; the turtleneck is'nt a uniform unto itself, but is rather something akin to an old-school navy rollneck.

 

I don't believe Federation worlds are required to give up their own defense forces even if they have some people in Starfleet. Bajorans being Bajorans, they've probably opted to keep their own militia rather than put all their trust in the Federation for protection.

 

I don't think they are either, since the Vulcans and Andorians at least kept their own armed forces.

I was referring to how in Rapture there's a reference to the intergration/dissolution of the Bajoran Militia upon the planet's incorporation into the Federation, so it seems like at least *initally* that was the plan in regards to this specific case.

 

The original conception of DS9 had Ensign Ro in the position of Kira, however, Michelle Forbes didn’t want to do a series, so Kira was created as an original character.

 

A good thing, IMO. Nothing against Ro, but Kira was a much better character.

 

Kira’s seen some ****.

 

Yeah, and done even more.

 

To be fair, we got a lot more time with Kira then we ever got with Ro.

I have little doubts Ro would've evolved in unique ways if she was on DS9.

Having more background for her and her "issues" with Starfleet would be fertile story ground that we really didn't have in DS9.

How she handle's the Maquis would be VERY interesting (we would have to assume her mission in TNG season 7 doesn't happen because she would be on DS9 by then).

On the flip...I can barely stand watching Kira's awkward romances in the show...Ro would be even worse.

Just once, I would've liked to see Forbes cameo on DS9 as Ro goes head to head with Kira...maybe a Maquis v Bajor thing. That could've been sweet.

 

It occurs to me that a DS9/TNG Dominion War crossover arc was very much a missed opportunity.

 

I was hoping the conclusion of the Dominion War would be a TNG/DS9 feature film in the late 90s.

I knew, even back then, there was no way DS9 would be tapped to carry a feature film. However, I did think they may use the Dominion War as a way to bring DS9 into the film franchise, without having to "pass the torch" from one crew to another.

As such, only certain elements of DS9 would've made it to the film:

The station gets a beauty shot when the E comes to visit.

Maybe a cameo by Quark and the promenade.

A briefing between Sisko/Odo and Picard on the state of the war.

Then a small DS9 crew on the Defiant join the E on a mission through the wormhole. Worf/O'Brien/Sisko?/Bashir?/Odo

But sadly, the timing did not line up. Insurrection was too early to allow DS9 to wrap it up, and after insurrection, Nemesis was way too far out to allow for it to be a proper "conclusion" for the Dominion War.

In the end, it was probably better this way. Having TNG involved in the Dominion War would've been great for world building across the property, but it would've come at the cost of DS9 itself. As it ended up, the DS9 characters are the heroes of the war, and it adds to their reputations with the fanbase.

If you had a ton of build up, only to hand it off to a "proper" crew, you cut the knees out from under the DS9 characters, actors, production, and fans.

I would not want a Dominion War movie if it ended up being Nemesis.

Things turned out for the best in that regard.

 

Re: Ro and DS9

For the DS9 relaunch books way back when Ro succeeded Kira in running the station.

 

I’m still irrationally angry about them ending that universe.

 

Mostly agree except Insurrection and Nemesis. Both those films, to me, are quite bad and the former suffers from not wanting to taking any risks or having any conflict between the main characters and the others suffers from them wanting to do WoK again.

Imagine if Insurrection had a split in the crew. Riker has seen too much death and if what they can get from this world helps end the war faster, he is ok with that. Crusher can think of the medical aspects, Geordi can think of how this could help people like him. Data can be opposed for ethical reasons, Picard and Troy forms a bond with the people. So they wind up on different sides. Real conflict.

Another problem I have with Insurrection is that they never ask the people on the planet to move. And I get why, because if they do and they say yes, then there is no movie. But if they say no, then they are the bad guys. So the question is never asked. Plus I found the people on the planet very smug.

I have thought about two TNG films, that featured the Dominion War and had a little of DS 9.
The first film have the Ent doing a diplomatic mission to some powers that are neutral and try to convince them to join in again the Dominion and to assist some worlds that have suffered in the war.
So their part is more diplomacy and less fighting.
The second one dealt with the aftermath of the war and a now more militarized Star Fleet.
And that the Feds and the Romulans are now the two major powers in this part of the galaxy.
Neat but would be unlikely.

Bye for now.
Old Stoneface

 

I mean, it's not like they blew up the station (again) and killed everyone...

>.>

 

Thinking of it purely from the DS9 perspective.

The rest of the franchise was a trashcan fire by that point.

I saw the ship start listing with First Contact and it just kept tipping.

 

Insurrection works with the Dominion War arc inasmuch that it's about Starfleet tipping over in it's moral obligations due to being spooked by the Dominion and Borg threats, which actually continues into them being basically full on isolationist by Picard S1.

 

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