Mini Series Official "Obi-Wan Kenobi" Series Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

He wasn’t injected. He was always there from the moment he was introduced.

 

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This show is going to be big, with Obi Wan, Darth Vader, clone wars flashbacks, Inqusitors, Rebels characters from the animated show, possible Yoda and Qui Gon cameo, Leia and Bail returning, possible Empror Palpatine cameo. Planets like Alderaan and Mustafar appearing, maybe Corucant. This is all we know or been relliable rumors.

 

Yeah, much more epic than a lot of people first thought. As I've said, a full-on sequel to ROTS. I wonder what the overall budget will come in at?

 

oh sorry didn't think we needed spoiler tags for this, as it's not 100%. but yeah probarly should.

But yeah this sems like a sequel to ROST and a prequel to Rebels and Rogue One. Episode 3,5. This show even wikth the volume will probaly be very expensive to make as you make 6 hour movie. I think this will show how far the volume can go. Season 2 of mandalorian looked great but you could see there were restrictions. also I wonder if we get familar characters with deepfake cameo in this show.

 

It just seems like speculation that there will be flashbacks but I seriously hope they capitalize on it. Realistically, we know this won't be the last time Vader will be seen in live-action, but this will likely be the last time we will see Obi-Wan and Anakin in live-action.

 

At least when still alive, we might get force ghost Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda int stories after ROTJ.

 

I understand that. I meant, physically sticking him in the Obi Wan show just because his backstory put him there- with everything else the show is rumored to cover.

 

Yeah as awsome as that would be, i think at least we get a cameo or hint at Grogu and who saved him. It's one of the jedi on Corucant and not many famous jedi there except Mace Windu or Jocosta Nu. I doubt he waited to be resued by jedi coming later. Or the empire has him for some good time.

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I hope for Kenobi and Yoda force skype, we know they stayed in touch. Also Yoda is rumored to appear.

 

I don't believe Yoda was ever part of any rumor.

Even Qui-Gon hasnt been rumored. We just speculate that it would make sense if he did appear.

 

Unless it was Obi Wan himself who pulled Grogu out- which I have a hard time buying because he's busy enough as it is in ROTS, I don't see why we would need to see who pulled Grogu out and the circumstances behind it in the Kenobi series. Why can't that be something that is revealed in Mando or the Ahsoka show since she learned that from him.

 

Oh yeah sure we will likley hear about it in Ahsoka. Mando arc is now Mandalore. Obi Wan might give us some hint aobut Grogu. Maybe they reveal who the jedi was that saved him in either kenobi, Bad Batch or Ahsoka.

 

If that is all legitimate we really are looking at one of the biggest Star Wars events in history.

 

Yeah this and Ahsoka show.

 

With recent news of Anakin in Ahsoka, i think both this show and Ahsoka can be tied together with Ahsoka in clone wars flashbacks and Kenobi learning to be a force ghost by Qui gon, as we might get force gghost Kenobi in Ahsoka. Maybe a present time fulcrum Ahsoka with Bail.

 

The Jedi didn't "badly screw up throughout the PT" though. The worst "screw-up" they did was fight for the Republic in the Clone Wars which is something they shouldn't have done. They are keepers of the peace who became soldiers but what else where they to do? That was the insidious way they were entrapped by Darth Sidious.

The actual Star Wars Saga of Lucas shows that the Jedi were correct in their thinking. What got them into trouble was when they did things Jedi shouldn't like becoming soldiers or Mace trying to cut down an unarmed man who he had defeated. Anakin did so with Dooku, Mace tried to do that with Palpatine (regardless that Sidious wasn't really as helpless as he seemed).

If they have Obi-Wan question the Jedi's ways then it would have to be very specific about from their decisions to not follow the Jedi way in those instances.

 

Fighting for the Republic wasn’t the screwup. Allowing the Republic to be destroyed from within by Palpatine was the screwup.

 

The jedi should never be the republic's police force and should be two different factions working together. The sith might have helped the jedi becoming more apart of the goverment.

 

May 4th release for the show.?

 

The only way to "not allow" it would have been for them to take over a long time before and therefore in essence becoming the Sith themselves.

It was only corrupted by the Sith in the first place through Sidious and those before him like Plagueis. It was pretty good for most of that thousand years prior after the Sith removed themselves from the galactic stage.

The "Luke" in TLJ is a coward, quitter and traitor so anything he says regarding the Jedi is entirely unreliable. That Luke is pathetic because he's so out of it he actually believes that the Jedi should end when the actual Luke if written properly would know that is ludicrous.

Besides that anything in the ST or anything else from Disney has no bearing on Lucas' story as his story is complete within itself.

 

Yes, but what better system were the Separatists promoting? That’s still such a vague element of the PT, IMO. Were the Separatist worlds being oppressed by the Republic? Based on the films, all I could gather was that Dooku had simply duped a bunch of systems into separating from the Republic for…reasons. Perhaps ancillary material I haven’t read goes into it more. TCW certainly doesn’t paint the Separatists as good guys.

If the status quo was a functioning Republic, were the Jedi morally wrong? Or was their sin not recognizing that they were working for a system that was being eroded by a would be dictator? Essentially not seeing that the status quo was being slowly destroyed?

I think it’s the latter. The Jedi didn’t fail because they were trying to uphold the status quo. They failed because in their service, they didn’t recognize that the status quo of the Republic (as a Democratic system) was being undermined from within. They basically were the same as the Weimar Republic politicians who failed to spot and stop what Hitler was doing before their eyes. Palpatine, in that context, represents the destruction of the Republic status quo and the creation of the Empire. And the Jedi had to die because they represented a status quo he had effectively killed.

In short, I think the opposite was the failing of the Jedi. Not being aware enough to save the democratic system (the original status quo) they were sworn to protect.

Otherwise, if the Jedi being representatives of the status quo was the problem, then all the Alliance (and later, the Resistance) is doing is “restoring the status quo” of the Republic. Surely the nature of that status quo matters a lot. A good system doesn’t need to be torn down simply because it’s the system. The status quo can be the good guys - especially when it’s threatened by people who want to establish a much worse status quo.

But again, if ancillary material shows that the Republic during the PT was already a rotten non-Republic, non-democracy before it became the Empire, that’s different. And the Jedi should have called that out or attempted to help change it.

That’s certainly not the only way. As @Darth Chiznuk was mentioning earlier, had they been less full of themselves, they may have detected Palpatine’s presence (and the fact that he was slowly killing the Republic) earlier, and been able to alert Senators across the Republic to take investigative or legal action against Palpatine. There were democratic ways for them to stop it. When it was too late, unfortunately, they decided the only option was to off him (Windu). And I think you really can’t blame Windu at that point, because the Republic had indeed become a dictatorship already by that point.

This is what’s not clear to me. Apart from what the Sith (Palpatine) were doing to undermine the Republic, what exactly was corrupt about it? And if it was corrupt, was it necessary for it to be destroyed (by the Separatists and Palpatine), or was there a democratic way to reform it, as Bail and Padme and Mothma were attempting? As far as I can tell, the Separatists and Palpatine were the bad guys for…wanting to destroy the Republic. And hence later, the good guys are those…who try to restore the Republic. When did this element of Star Wars change? It feels like bothsiderism/ moral equivalence entered the perception of the main conflicts in Star Wars at some point, and I don’t know if that’s due to events in the films or ancillary material.

 

OK, I see some of that in the films, but the actions taken that you mention (exploitation of Naboo by the Trade Fed, etc) were illegal by the Republic’s standards, but due to Palpatine’s influence, they were allowed to happen.

In any event, the failure of the Jedi was in not spotting that corruption and calling attention to it earlier. Now that the High Republic is canon, I see it this way. The failure of the Jedi was not active defense of the Republic, but failing to see that the Republic was being destroyed from with (and failure to prevent that). Failing to see, and then being duped into presiding over, the erosion of the status quo of a just Republic (the system that existed in the High Republic) was the great tragedy of that era.

It wasn’t right for the Republic to be destroyed simply because it had started to lose its way. It should have been reformed instead. Palpatine acted against any attempt to reform it by Padme, Bail, Mothma and others (the real good guys of the PT) and in doing so, diminished the moral standing of the Republic, helped facilitate/ manufacture the Clone War, which then made it easy for him to seize Imperial power.

Further, the awkwardness of George’s galactic political picture, IMO, is that it’s very similar to the descent into the US Civil War, and it places Palpatine in the place of…Lincoln, who took temporary emergency power to execute the war to bring the Confederate states back into the Union. And he was routinely called a dictator for it. It’s just a weird real world parallel, and I wonder why George chose a “Separatist-induced conflict,” followed by a military attempt to prevent/ reverse that separatism, as the main event in the PT.