Official Legacy of the Force: Tempest Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

But seriously, no squibs and very little Saba. You'll be happy to hear that Killik Twilight makes an appearance and the characters deliver a running plot summary of Tatooine Ghost over the course of the book, however.

 

WTH???? I promised myself I wouldn't read anything after NJO (which, by the way, sucked), but yesterday I found some LOTF on my local library and I couldn't resist. And, again, I repeat "WTH?"! What is wrong with these writers? Now that Episode III is out, they just want to link EU with the prequels and it would be alright with me if it was done right! But NO! They just have to screw some of the best characters and replace them with new ones that don't matter at all.

I thought NJO rocked, personally. But there hasn't been much 'replacing' going on lately, it seems fan backlash after NJO has caused DR to revert to bringing the big 3 = Mara as the main cast (with Jacen being elevated to be the bad guy). I think the links are okay, except for Aurra Sing came back. I'm happy Allana zapped her.

First, Jacen is completely mad, period. I just hate how powerful he is and how he can "time-travel" and see what happened to Anakin, etc.

I actually think he's rather effective that way. He's supposed to be hated now.

Second, Lumya. She is a lame villain. Ok, all that deception thing she's capable of is nice, but it's hard to believe that someone with her background would be able to fool the Skywalkers.

That's what I think too. Why oh why couldn't it be a psycho Callista . . .

Third, Mara. ... I'm a huge Mara fan, but they simply turned her into a Jacen-lover that doesn't give a damn about her kid. Wasn't there a twisted theory saying that Mara had a secret affair with Jacen or something? I'm starting to think it isn't twisted at all.

There's no secret affair that I've seen yet. And Tempest restores some of Mara's respectability after Karen tore her to shreds and tossed her out the window. At least Troy's rebuilding her.

Fourth, Ben is such a terrible character. He had so much potencial, but he was so screwed up! Luke really needs to explain Ben a few things... But I do have hope. At least, they made him a smart kid, and I think it will work out fine.

It will. The writers aren't completely stupid. But remember that this isn't Ben's series, he's just a accessory, a foil, for the moment.

Fifth, what about other characters like Jaina, Kyp, Karrde, Sabba, etc? Where have they gone?

I agree, what happened to everyone? Jaina at least came back during Tempest but nearly every character in the DPs are Skywalkers, Solos, or related closely to a Skywalker or Solo. DR got a ton of complaints over there being not enough focus on the Skywalkers and Solos and took it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far. Tempest has the smallest DP of all, and only Alema Rar and Aurra Sing are the only characters not directly or indirectly linked to the Skywalker/Solos in some way. And Saba, Denning's own creation, is only mentioned once or twice. And they killed Tresina Lobi.

I really do hope the writers start paying attention to the fans. It's because of us that their books are sold. It's because of us that they earn money. They'd better start respecting us and give us some good storylines, or otherwise we won't even bother to read cannon stories, since fanfictions are alot better.

Fanfiction is only better in the eyes of the beholders. It's because we know it's not real, it's not actually happening or has happened, that makes them seem better.

 

I am rather surprised that I have not seen - or perhaps I have failed to notice - any mention of two visions in the novel that seem rather important.

The first one is mentioned on page 58. Luke has seen a "a faceless, cloaked figure" that is "sitting on a throne and laughing". That pretty much says "Darth Krayt" to me.

The second one is on pages 144-145. Jacen watches Hapes and sees a vision of a face emerging, changing and finally leaving only eyes "with all the brilliance of a pair of exploding novas" and through the vision a voice says again and again "Mine." This vision is clearly connected to the one that Leia sees in the "Tatooine Ghost" some 32 years previously and seemed to be connected to the cloned Palpatine at the time.

 

Er... not that I want to go down this road again, but didn't Palpatine say that about Anakin-in-womb. Wasn't that what his "Mine!" was for?

 

Ender, I suggest you just stick with TTT.

 

A little off the beaten track observation:


Suppose you are a Corellian...and you would like nothing better than to hit the Galactic Alliance where it really hurts. It's progressively gotten to the point where the Galactic Senate is rubber stamping impeding restrictions as well as showing of force to keep the members in line, and punish the more independent planets...


However...


Let us not forget how Cal Omas came to power. Various Senate members were strong armed into voting for him thanks to the strategic pressure (extortion/implied assault) applied by Lando and Karrde. Han Solo is perfectly aware of what went on...as were a number of the Jedi (including the Grand Master). Soooooo....who is to stop an enterprising individual from going to Cal Omas privately and telling him to put a leash on his forces...and reel in the Alliance Guard or the next thing you know, the Chief of State will be portrayed as an illegitimate leader who gained office illegally... Should the galaxy become aware of the details...the number of planets suddenly wishing their sovereignty would grow exponentially, and open the door for another ruling structure...

Yeah...not likely to happen in the simplistic DelRay type novel. But, let us not forget that Talon Karrde keeps records of everything, and all the economic restrictions of a Federalist type galactic government surely puts a cramp in his free enterprise style.

The next thing you know...well...you know...

Just a thought

 

YodaKenobi has a fantastic story with a plotline dealing with this very thing. Wish DelRey would bring Vergere's warning to fruition.

 

I agree that there haven't been many supporting characters featured in this series. I'm glad to see the Skywalkers and Solos take center stage again but I do wish they would vary the supporting characters a little more. At least we know that Kyp will be showing up in the next book. I'm still hoping for appearances by Lando, Saba, Karrde, Tahiri, Corran and Kyle Katarn before the series ends.

 

Corran had a couple of scenes in Betrayal

 

Well, truth be told, I don't recall them actually fighting. Aurra throws one detonator at him, and then runs away in Mos Epsa. When they meet next in front of Jabba's palace, Saato intervenes before any sort of fight can break out.

 

Yes. Vergere definitely should be listened to.

 

Regardless, she "encountered" him in a pretty big way. And yet, no mention. But, oh, yeah, I saw him speed by in the Boonta Eve Race. Yeah.

Sometimes I wonder if the "Holocron" even exsists.

 

Well, she flat-out says that the thing that stuck out to her was that he won such a dirty race without cheating. That was what came to her mind in that situation, not "I tossed a det at your daddy once. Yeah, it happened."

 

Am I the only one who is absolutely loving this series. Jacen is the man or rather the Darth!!!! I love his character now. I used to think he was a pansy and I was upset when they killed off Anakin Solo...but now he's growing on me. I really want everything to work out for the guy. Become Dark lord of the Sith, continue to be with Tenel Ka, raise Allana...be the good Sith Daddy, rule a peaceful galaxy!!!!! Wow that would be a great ending to the series...

Luke is getting on my nerves. He continues to be a whiney hipocrite and tries to show he's the alpha male grandmaster at every turn. Just let Jacen lure son to the dark side buddy. Your way leads to more war and more death! Somebody kill the guy, he's no master jedi! Lets start the chant now. Kill Luke end the whinism!!!

But seriously I love this series. I think Jacen should kill Luke (as his sacrifice) become Dark Lord of the sith...and then be turned back by Jaina. That would be awesome!!!! We could continue the series with Jacen being redeemed...no more whiney Luke Skywalker and now Jacen becomes the greatest jedi master the universe has ever seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Anakin wasn't even concieved in Tatooine Ghost.

 

Right, but Leia's vision in TG was about the Dark Empire time-period and Luke going dark, no?

 

^ So ...

Anakin Solo was possessed by Palpatine. When Anakin Solo's good side burned away in SbS and he was gone, his spirit went to Korriban ... ???

 

No, but the premise of the "Mine" was in-relation to Anakin, I had thought. Which means we're meant to focus on the dream and, in good misdirection style, people might be focusing on the wrong portion of the dream...

 

This vision of a figure saying "Mine" that keeps appearing... Jacen in Tempest interpretes the succeeding parts of the vision belonging to different persons, representing a Sith dynasty that he apparently thinks he could unleash on the galaxy. Perhaps it is at this point a reference to the Legacy comic.

But I think that he may be missing the point. The connection to Palpatine and his same utterance and the vision Leia saw could perhaps indicate that this is not only about Jacen and his possible legacy, but perhaps about the whole family. If the Darth Plagueis novel will include the "creation" of Anakin Skywalker - and confirm the the involvement of the Sith in this - perhaps this vision could be an indication of the hold the Dark Side has over the entire family, over generations? The potential that there is for the members of the family becoming the kind of super-Sith Darth Plagueis apparently dreamed of, even if they have over and over rejected the Dark Side. I do hope that it is indication of some kind long time Sith plan, this or some other.

Of course, the meaning of the vision can change. It does not have to mean the same thing for Leia in TG and for Jacen in Tempest. Send by the Dark Side itself - which would it probably mean some kind of sentience on the part of it. Or it could be a kind of Force echo from Palpatine, kind of equivalent of gravity waves, if a more silly theory can be contemplated.

 

Just reading it after my post-Chiristmas ( in Australia, anyway) downtime after all the rello's have left. . .


I noticed efflux has returned. And Salon is the new word. Pity, he managed not to in DN!

 

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Right, but Leia's vision in TG was about the Dark Empire time-period and Luke going dark, no?

Luke was never all that "dark".

 

Says you...

 

One thing which is apparent to me after these 3 books is that Lumiya is not a true follower of Darth Bane and is not trying to make Jacen one. At least I have do not remember any scenes where she would demand Jacen to give himself fully to the Dark Side. No, the sacrifice is all important, but not this which was the one of the main things for Darth Bane. Lumiya and Jacen seem to be different kind of the Sith, the kind which think that they can use the Dark Side without giving themselves fully to it. If Darth Krayt follows this, no wonder that Darth Bane considers him a heretic.

 

You know what really peaked my interest. When Lumiya said they wouldn't fail, to Alema. That a plan was in motion. This led Alema to believe that there were more Sith! What if by now Darth Krayt is already around (this is their way of tying it together)...he is the real Dark Lord of the Sith! And Jacen's falling is only being used to weaken the jedi order...

Lumiya to Alema..."This is bigger then me and you"

 

That theory has come up before and I do hope that it is wrong. If the narration of Darth Krayt at the beginning of Legacy is to be believed, by 130 ABY he had been hiding on Korriban with his followers already for a hundred years. So yes, he should be around. Which I do not really like, but if it is so, then it is so.