Full Series Official Star Wars Rebels Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

I never really thought about it before, but the Mandalorians weren't warriors during The Clone Wars..... So either after the Darth Maul crisis more Mandalorians became warriors, or she has some ties to Death Watch.....

 

For UK fans - Siege of Lothal is on Disney XD Saturday July 18 at 9AM. It goes til 10AM in the Sky Guide. There's a repeat from 3-4PM if you can't make the early show.

 

we also know that mandos were white and blonde, or maybe that was that certain bubble city, so is she from a different city or another moon? or not really a mando?

(and leave race baiting out of it.)

 

I want to say (but am not certain) that Pablo or Filoni did confirm that she was a Mando. However, Filoni had also mentioned that per Lucas, it seemed like Jango was not a Mando, and I thought it was implied that "bubble city" was essentially all that was left of Mandalorian civilization, at least on Mandalore itself.

It's possible she was from a moon, or perhaps she was adopted into the culture by Vizsla's group while they were in exile. Perhaps the warrior clans scattered after the defeat of Maul and began to assimilate other people into their culture.

I mean, I remember there being an episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation where there was a culture in which after waging war, it was practice for the victors to adopt the children of their fallen opponents into their culture. This culture had gone to war with the Federation in the past, and so there was a human kid who had been adopted as an infant to be son to a member of this alien culture, and while the Federation and this society were now at peace, the plot revolved around the ethical dilemma of whether or not to allow this kid to be raised by his abductors or to demand he be handed back over the the Federation.

That kind of society is something I think would be fully inline with a warrior culture based around honor. The pacifist Mandalorian culture on Mandalore would have been a stable civilization. But for warrior groups like Vizsla's (or should their be a warrior diaspora after TCW) I could see a society in which these warriors wage war, but adopt the innocent children of the defeated (what honor is there in killing a kid?) Such that the warrior segments would overtime include more diverse blood than the pacifist culture that stays within its own borders.

That's just speculation though.

 

yes gl said jango and boba are not mandos and that he must have "acquired" their armor. in tcw kenobi asks other mandos about jango and they say he must have been an impostor.

 

Maybe her mother or father was Mando and one was not, and/or she was adopted into the culture as apparently Jango was somehow as at some point he become obsessed with Mandalorian gear and a stock pile of it. Or her parents are from one of Mandalore's colonies and maybe the temperature is warmer so over the course of thousands of years adapted darker skins for the climate. Filoni mentions that with Mandalore Lucas and he went deliberately with a [Nordic] Aryan concept - which was popular by certain socialist authors and scientists back in the 19th and early to mid 20th century(and to the present in some circles)and adapted by some of the members of the Nazi Party like Himmler, but it predates the Nazi Party and Hitler. So it was was deliberately done. Almec had violet colored eyes from what I recall but that mutation is found in Albinos and due to Albinism.

 

Yep. I see both sides of the topic, but my view was that the talk came from anything but fickle SW fans. Rather, it was:

- Fans who knew all about Vader's dark red lenses in ANH, all along (it's kind of hard to miss).

- Fans who also were well aware of Lucasfilm's determination to make more use of the McQuarrie concept designs (found not only in Rebels, but all over TFA's design elements, too). Even without Filoni and Co. discussing the decision to go in this direction, for anyone familiar with Ralph's work, it was obvious at first glance what they were striving for, wasn't it? And most seemed to be fans who really enjoy the McQuarrie concept art being used in this way.

- And I haven't found anyone who didn't understand perfectly that SW animation traditionally opts for a stylized look over a more realistic approach.

And yet, even with all of that, some maybe still didn't care so much for the choice of design, fully unveiled in the Season 1 finale (with Vader's skinnier frame, perma-scowl, and the "brighter than in ANH" shade of red in the lenses).

Was it in-line with what they are doing with the rest of the characters in the series? I'd argue that yes, it mostly is.

But to play devil's advocate, there was really nothing preventing the crew from beefing Vader up a little more (I actually felt he did look a little bulkier in TSOL -- but that might be my mind playing tricks), lessening the degree of scowl on the mask, or darkening the lenses a little more (IMO, the only time in ANH where they looked anywhere near as bright red as in the series was when bright white/red light was cast straight into the face of the mask. In a more neutral/"natural" light, they looked rather 'dark maroon-ish' in the film to me). But it's all subjective.

See, the thing is, people can be perfectly well-informed, highly-devoted Star Wars fans; and yet still have an opinion which might be a little different from someone else's. In fact, the impression I was left with was that most of the folks who offered a dissenting opinion were those who seem to love Vader the very most. Those 'Vader-philes' who are intimately acquainted with every little facet -- each and every nook and cranny -- of the mask, armor and suit (and the differences found in each variant from the films).

For my money? As I already alluded to, Vader seemed to look better somehow in the TSOL premiere to me than he did when he first strode down the ramp of that Imperial shuttle on Lothal.

Why? Maybe (as in TCW) the producers took the opportunity to give the characters a little nip and tuck between the first and second seasons (I also came away thinking that Ezra looked a little different, too). Or maybe I've just started to get used to it.

 

I think for me the main problem is just how he should look as opposed to the style. I didn't like Count Dooku's head in TCW because it was unnecessary and didn't match the rest of the designs.

It also adds to the Rebels (and TCW) 'hate/prejudice' feelings because it is less like the films.

I think Ezra has been changed a little between seasons, slight tweaks etc.

 

Speaking of Erza, anyone noticed a character shift in season 2? He seems far more sure of himself now, but not arrogant.

 

Starsaber49

I noticed it too. But he now has a family who he knows isn't going to just leave one day and never come back so he feels more comfortable. Plus, all the Jedi training he gets is helping him become more confident as well. He is learning how to defend himself and doesn't have to run from things anymore. It'll be interesting to see how Ezra develops as a character as time goes by.

 

Yeah, Ezra actually interests me a lot story wise now. Especially since he actually is maturing as a character, which I'm glad about. I hate when characters are forced to be static unchanging individuals, because then there is no conflict or drama.

 

But we already have non-Nordic/Aryan Mandos in canon:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rook_Kast

I never liked the concept anyway.

 

Looks like a few minor exceptions obviously. You also got Soniee who had brown hair but really light green eyes and very fair skin she stood out from the rest due to the brown hair alone but her hair wasnt very dark like Rook. Soniee and especially Rook Kast were pretty unique among them and now with Sabine Wren.

 

Now who does this look like?

 

Those are pretty funny Sith-eyes, did we ever see the kind in current canon?

 

The Pau'un Inquisitor

 

True, they are pretty similar.

 

Regarding the previous conversation, I'd be perfectly happy just quietly forgetting about the ethnic homogeneity of Mandalorians in TCW. That was just a bad idea all over.

 

The Inquisitor on the left, that's not Bariss... Is it?

 

If you look real close. A bit higher resolutions here http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Star_War_Rebels_Season_Two_Inquisitors_Revealed_164940.asp

You can see she has tattoos/markings on her chin as well.

 

Am I the only one who doesn't see Barriss as Femquizzy?

Neither inquisitor have Sith eyes, they aren't Sith- just darkside underlings- so that yellow on black must be her natural eye colors. Plus, the eyes are very narrow- even Ahsoka's eye's didn't narrow that much from TCW to Rebels.

 

Kentoa

Well, it really does look like Barriss to me now. I wonder if Inquisitors get assigned new names once they become one and pass all the training? Also, what's up with the blacks inside her eyes though? I mean, it could just be the lighting.

 

The eye thing happens with darkside use, regardless of whether they follow Sith teachings.

 

Then why no Sith eyes for the male inquisitor? He has some very pale silvery eyes on white. Ventress never got them either, or Savage. Or interestingly Dooku, right?

Maul and the Inquisitor had them(maybe? or are those natural Pa'uan eyes?)

Femquizzy has flat yellow on black, no ring of red.

 

moonjump05

I'm on the same page as you. Kablob and I already had similar discussion earlier. (starts here)