*OFFICIAL THREAD* Mace Windu vs. Darth Sidious Discussion v3.0

Mace didn't own Sidious at all, Sidious never had ANY intention of killing Mace he was waiting on Anakin, he could have killed him with the force at any time. He was faking, Lucas says this, and Ian said that the messed up look was his real face, in Star Wars Insider. You don't really think Sidious was fighting like he did against Yoda do you?

 

Yes. A kick to the grill generally owns.

He was faking being hurt by the lightning.

 

The body of evidence suggest Mace Windu was set up like a pathetic loser and used as a catalyst for Anakin Skywalker's turn to the dark side. Mace arrived in the Chancellor's Office with "some of the finest lightsaber duelists the Order have ever produced". Palpatine went THREE ON ONE and quickly dispatched all the Jedi Master in less than 10 seconds. Mean while, Mace stood in the back like a scared child ready to wet his pants. When Palpatine finally turns to Mace, Mace's first instict is to back out of the office. He locks sabers with Palpatine, trying his absolute hardest to defeat Palpatine. Meanwhile, Palpatine is hardly breaking a sweat, waiting for Anakin to return to his office. Finally, when he senses Anakin about to walk into the office, he allows Mace to kick him, thereby disarming him, showing Anakin that he is totally defenseless and helpless against Mace's assination attempt. Anakin must save Palpatine, because Palpatine cannot save himself. The perfect set up. And Mace finally got what he deserved when he got blasted out the window. Alienating Anakin Skywalker and being the most miserble, moody SOB on Coruscant made him such a distastful character, and I'm glad he blast out the window. Mace, set up for the $%#@& he is.

 

I thick Boba won
look at this:
http://www.starwarz.com/tbone/index.php?categoryid=14&p2_articleid=8
this is Sar wars wiki says about Boba in Ep III:
After being escorted to Coruscant by Governor Tarkin, Boba finally acquired his one and only chance at Mace Windu. Boba followed and waited for the Jedi in the Supreme Chancellor's chambers, of all places. Boba engaged Mace Windu in combat but could not kill the Jedi Master. The two stood, battered and wounded, each ready to deliver a final blow with their weapons. The fight was actually halted by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, before either one could make a move. Boba was surprised to learn that the Chancellor already knew that Dooku was Tyranus. He also knew that Boba would hunt down Mace Windu, once he arrived on Coruscant. "I believe we share a common enemy," the Chancellor told Fett. Palpatine paid Fett for his information and told him never to speak of their conversation again, an agreement that Boba wisely kept. Then the Chancellor sent him on his way

 

Exactly. "And here we see Mace overpower Palpatine with his saber". Lucas/ROTS Commentary

 

Greetings OBIJUAN!
I can't agree more, and I certainly can't understand that this discussion is still alive! But it is so fun
(But you do know that someone has a dictionary that says "overpower" means to lose like a pathetic fool. I want that dictionary too - sounds hilarious )

 

What up Rossa!
I second that: I also heard that someone has a dictionary that says "denial" means to not believe in the existence of reality. For sure, I can't believe that this discussion is still continuing.

 

After reading through this thread after the ROTS DVD came out and Lucas being specific that Mace overpowers Palpatine in the commentary, I can't believe people still thought different? Lucas does leave alot out there in the movies to be debated such as Darth Plaguis, but this one is a no-brainer, Mace was winning.

 

who cares who is stronger or not? all we need to know is that They Fought, Palpatine got disfigured, Anakin inervened, and Mace died.

 

That's fine if you don't care, but some do, and that is why there is a thread for it.

 

I don't want to formulate an opinion on the duel or speculate, as it is impossible to determine whether or not Sidious was fighting to the extent of his abilities. He may have been utilizing a different lightsaber form against Mace than he did Yoda, or he may have known Anakin was coming, and knew he could manipulate him as he had the entire galaxy for the last few years. The duel itself seems a draw, with the two combatants going back and forth throughout the entire duel. Based on information outside of the duel, Sidious and Mace seem about equal, with Sidious possibly having a slight edge in experience, and this is why I think that there are so many debates on this subject.

Personally, I feel Sidious won the duel. Not the duel itself, though the result of it was certainly in his favor. One of the most powerful Jedi in the current Order in Mace had died, Sidious didn't, and the encounter would be twisted and used to further manipulate the Senate. The encounter set him up to reorganize the Republic, destroy the Jedi, and turn Anakin.

 

hahah true though

 

Darth Sidious would never have voluntarily given up his lightsaber on the off chance that Anakin Skywalker might protect him from the most powerful swordsman in the Jedi Order. There's no way. He lost the duel, then resorted to playing Anakin.

 

He wouldn't allow the Jedi to know that he's a Sith Lord either but he did because he wanted them to look bad not only to the Republic but to Anakin as well. Sidious would have won even if Anakin never showed up to help him at all.

 

No, Mace would have skewered him. His lightning might have fended him off for a while, but with his lightsaber out the window, in confined quarters, he wouldn't have been able to take on someone of Mace Windu's level.

 

And I think it's fairly impressive that the Emperor can turn a loss into one of his greatest victories, which is why I don't see the problem with Mace beating Palpatine, especially when the commentary backs that up.

 

Not if Palpatine has another lightsaber stashed in his robes since he used it to fight Yoda. He would most certainly take on someone like Mace, especially after he took out the other 3 Jedi that Mace brought to the office.

 

Yea but there was something called sith lightning that was more effective against Mace..which we see the full power of once Anakin has turned

and Sidious killed 3 Jedi right in front of mace and one when Mace was also attacking him

 

Palpatine's lightning cannot defeat a lightsaber, especially when it is being backed by the likes of Mace Windu. Without a blade, Mace would have carved him to pieces. Sidious is able to knock the saber from Yoda's hands after his high jump, but on equal footing, Mace wouldn't have fallen for that. The lightsaber is Mace's specialty. Sidious puts up a stronger blast than Count Dooku, and he might be able to overwhelm most other Jedi, but not The Man.

 

Palpatine would most certainly overwhelm "the Man" but he had to hold back his power to make Anakin think that he's weakening.

 

it's quite amazing really...
there's essentially one thing that supports sidious throwing the fight and holding back -sidious' devious character.
that's it!

he's just too good to be surprised or overpowered, which incidently happens several times throughout the saga. so the evidence itself is actually very weak.

what you see is what you get. on this given sunday, mace overpowered sidious.
even lucas supports what can be seen on screen.

but hey! if it makes the saga more pleassurable to view it in this context, then by all means tell yourself that sidious was throwing the fight. the important thing isn't that you see the scene for what it is, but rather that you enjoy the scene and the film

 

Its quite interesting that Mace can block the lighting...but when disarmed he is shocked so bad that he is launched out the window...its almost like Sidious put much juice into it after Anakin turned

 

Well, even when Mace was blocking the lightning it wasn't as though he was doing it effortlessly. He was still struggling with it quite a bit while Palpatine just kind of sat there faking weakness. I think at that point, regardless of whether or not Palpatine could have overpowered Mace, he needed Anakin to get involved and be the one to betray Mace so that he would feel as though there was no going back. Had Sidious destroyed Mace (if he could), then Sidious would have dead Jedi to account for and no assurance that Anakin would join him.

 

you are not george lucas, who says that the scene was filmed with mace beating palpatine and then having anakin come in later, then the lightning and only after the lightning palpatine begins to play weak. ask a regular viewer and they'd think palpatine was killing himself with the lightning. if you still think palpatine was pretending, go see george lucas; the man who has the FINAL say in star wars. after all, they're HIS movies. HE made them. HE makes them how HE sees fit.