Amph On Earth, Everyone Can Hear You Scream: The Prometheus / Alien Discussion Thread (Romulus, Earth)

The Obi-Wan Kenobi art shown at last year's Disney Investor Day (the very same event where Noah Hawley's show was announced) just leaked online.

Crossing my fingers in hopes that whatever they showed/discussed (if anything of note) for this series when they cut the camera so regular viewers at home wouldn't be able to see leaks as well...

 

We've all read quotes from RS that he thinks Covenant didn't do as well as could have because the alien 'isn't scary anymore' and frankly I take umbrage with that. First off the Xenos can still be scary in the right environment or situation. That's what I really like about 3, no weapons, nowhere to run. In the original they couldn't shoot it cuz the acid blood would've decompressed the whole ship "it has a wonderful defense mechanism. You don't dare kill it" Also, so what? Freddy and Jason stopped being scary then cranked out like 8 more movies.

But mainly imo it's just that Covenant (and Prometheus to an extent) just aren't written that well. In the Pitch Meeting video for Covenant he says "the movie only works if every character is stupid and makes the wrong choice." You all know I love those two movies but frankly he's right. The Nostromo crew were smart and still got dragged into the Xeno situation. The Covenant crew just leap into the deep end of the pool without checking the temp so to speak.

Covenant itself seems like two separate movies: before and after David appears. The Neomorohs are awesome imo but then it rushes to the Xeno (or Preato-morph I think they call it on the AlienWiki site). Facehugged! Burst! Kills!!! in the space of maybe an hour movie time. Maybe it would've been better to only have one and it's born later on which I'm sure someone in here said before. Also I just think in general both Covenant and Prometheus were too short.

*end rant*

Basically I think the Xenos can still be scary if the writers would try harder.

 

The scariest part of Alien: Covenant for me is when the group first explore and they are in the wheat field, and the lady say “Who planted it?” I think that is eerie and it unsettle me.

 

yah Ridley Scott has had throwaway lines during and after both Prometheus and Covenant about "the beast" being "worn out" and even sometimes saying that Alien should be the general umbrella term for a new space horror franchise haven't been something I've agreed with. What works best is that you have compelling characters and then throw Aliens at them which makes a good Alien movie. For all the innovation that Aliens adds and builds to the Alien series, it is deliberately repeating specific beats and moments from the first Alien film which leads to the feeling of Ripley "having the same nightmare" again I believe is how Cameron phrased it.

As for the placement of the TV series, the comics have been doing post Alien 3 content, which works although I feel that anything post-Alien 3 devalues Ripley's sacrifice a wee bit. (She kept it away from the Company! Temporarily!) Although when you watch those 3 movies, it's just the Alien is an LV-426 generated and localized problem. But basically anything else after that (or the various Alien prequels) you run into the "yeah, the damn things are everywhere, ah well" problem.

 

I'd like more continuity tbh the Alien galaxy (unless, I'm guessing, you go into the rpg sourcebooks) is a blank map.

 

I too would like more continuity but unlike in SW I don't get grrr when it's changed/broken.

There was a sort of continuity in the Aliens EU but it got a soft reboot around '07 and a full reboot around '12 with the crossover stories Fire And Stone and Life And Death (Among the best stories imo). Then it rebooted again with the Marvel comics. So yeah it is mostly a blank map...mostly

(tried to put a gif of Newt saying that classic line but am computer illiterate and can't figure it out)

 

Yeah, I love the Verheiden trilogy and most of what follows it.

But Alien continuity is so so DIY even with the films that I don't really worry about what counts tbh.

 

Yeah, this. More so than any other blockbuster franchise that comes to mind, with Alien, every filmmaker that comes in really does make it their own. And it is all the better for that.

 

Yeah. I posted on reddit a few months back that you can watch nearly any combination of the films nearly any way you like and you'll have at least a decent time.

 

Back when concept art for that "Alien 5" was circulating my opinion was "well I don't like movie reboots...but it's Alien so if it's better than 3 and Resurrection then it's multiverse time!"

Lol imagine if the Robot Duplicate Ripley from the books lives for 200 years and met the clone Ripley 8! Hilarity ensues.

Also don't know where I found this, maybe our Meme thread. Anyway reposting cuz it's true

 

The RPG is ****ing awesome and maps out the whole 'human' part of the galaxy - and incorporates pretty much every lore source too.

 

I did an Alien/Predator series rewatch and I started with Aliens then wound forward and back through timeline order to end with Alien. Still kinda works that way! Ouroboros watching order! Very appropriate for Alien.

 

Back in '05 in the Saga Forum there was a thread of alternate order of SW and someone suggested: 4,1,2,5,3,6. What was your Alien order? 2, AvP, Res, Prometheus, 3, Covenant, 1?

Personally I add some EU and go Earth Angel, Vs Batman1 (aliens in a Mayan pyramid it's great!), AvP 1 and 2, Steel Egg (book), Prometheus and then it's chronological. Oddly Steel Egg and Prometheus work well together bc in SE hypersleep tech is pretty new and it's like 15 or so years before Prometheus where the hypersleep isn't new but isn't easy like in Alien.

 

Way I went it was Aliens, Alien 3, Alien: Resurrection, Predator, Predator 2, Alien vs. Predator, Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem, Predators, The Predator, Prometheus, Alien: Covenant, Alien.

It's kinda fun cuz you get to start and end the series with the best ones, start and end with Ripley in hypersleep. And the last 3 Alien movies are Ridley Scott's trilogy and Alien is ultimately the punchline to Prometheus and Covenant. And sort of delve into a Predator side-story in the middle there. And y'know the Alien skull popping up in Predator 2 sort of sets it up and plays well after the bonkers of Alien: Resurrection. And I've always felt that AvP and Prometheus work better than the continuity and filmmaker overlords ever intended. And speaking of Predators and The Predator back to back, they actually compliment each other better than also probably intended but Predators sets up the inter-Predator civil war which shows up in The Predator.

 

Is it, though?

 

I mean it's a fantastic movie on it's own without the prequel-ness of the previous two movies. I'm not saying it's reason is to pay off the Prometheus/Covenant story but it works as a conclusion. you have to sort of head fill in the space in between without another movie. Blah blah blah David got the eggs to LV-426 etc. etc.

 

That last bit is why I view them as separate, tbh. You could have a good David story (and the prequels definitely are a David story) and not have it have anything to do with the original films.

 

They tried that, but the Fandom **** a solid brick of creamy anger by the sheer lack of Xenos in Prometheus. So Ridley shoved one into Covenant and UH-OH the fans hated that too.

They should've just made Alien 5: Aliens 2 - The Wedding of Ripley & Hicks Who Then Adopt Newt

 

Have you watched the Advent short? It kinda both clicks very directly into the original story, but also decouples Covenant from it, if that makes sense.

 

Noah Hawley’s Alien Series To Start Filming March 2022 in Thailand!

Set not too far into our future, it’s the first ‘Alien’ set on Earth — and by blending both the timeless horror of the first ‘Alien’ film with the non-stop action of the second, it’s going to be a scary thrill ride that will blow people back in their seats.

https://www.avpgalaxy.net/2021/11/1...ries-to-start-filming-march-2022-in-thailand/

Nice to have a start date and filming location on this! Production time kicking off matches with what Hawley was hoping for when interviewed a while back - Spring 2022. Curious to see what locales from Thailand are utilized here and how.

 

Xenomorph: "Let me tell you how Bitcoin works..."

 

Not much new here, but Ridley Scott briefly mentions the upcoming show here (while also seemingly confirming a Blade Runner series, which is the bigger surprise/new info coming out of this article):

https://variety.com/2021/tv/global/blade-runner-alien-tv-series-ridley-scott-1235117198/

 

Ridley Scott did an episode of the podcast WTF With Marc Maron. I like Maron but haven't had time to listen to it. Saw a clickbait headline (which I clicked...) that had a quote from RS blaming millennials being addicted to cell phones as to why The Last Duel bombed. Now I'll complain about young people 'till the cows come home but I don't see the connection of constantly checking social media to not seeing a medieval times movie.

Spoiler: Language

“I think what it boils down to — what we’ve got today [are] the audiences who were brought up on these ****ing cell phones. The millennian do not ever want to be taught anything unless you are told it on the cell phone,” Scott continued. “This is a broad stroke, but I think we’re dealing with it right now with Facebook. There is a misdirection that has happened where it’s given the wrong kind of confidence to this latest generation, I think.”

When I get around to the episode I'll report back if there's any Alien news or interesting factoids.

Edit- Mu copy and paste changed the bad word to ***. Interesting

 

I think the interesting bit about that interview was "Blade Runner TV show"...