Full Series Order 66 series

I'd especially be interested to see what Rex was up to between TCW's end and Season 2 of Rebels. I like Rex in Deserter, the Krell arc, and the Order 66 arc. In my estimation, he's one of the best original characters TCW produced besides Cad Bane. Speaking of which, it would be interesting to have a comic or something exploring the rise of Boba Fett as he usurps Bane's place as the best bounty hunter in the galaxy.

 

Hopefully Rex's story will be told, I really want that TCW RotS tie in arc eventually. In the meantime, season 2 of Rebels is sure to drop some hints Filoni has said so. But I doubt they will be too specific to prevent writing themselves into a corner.

 

It would've been interesting to see Rex continue to be Vader's second-in-command after order 66. But as of seeing he is a deserter this is highly unlikely.

 

But it wouldn't make any sense for his story arc and character development. Imperial!Cody on the other hand though...

 

My point exactly.

 

I want to see some of the Jedi who survived the great purge become Dark Jedi who serve their own agendas. Perhaps an entire star system ruled by a Dark Jedi outside of the power of the Empire. They may also gather together forces to rebel against the Empire as well.

 

'Too good' has nothing to do with it. All throughout TCW Rex has a character arc of deciding what is right/increasing personal responsibility and agency/choice in what orders to follow. Him joining a fallen Anakin Skywalker just disregards that.

 

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edit: for those of you that don't know what tb means, it means turn n' burn.

 

So? The setup is there. Does every character have to only fit into the mold first described for them? Because that would be a lot of very flat characters.

Since Rex is really the only clone with this type of arc, I don't see the problem.

 

Rex would choose what is morally correct as he is one of the most morally aware of the Clones on the show as he was featured in several arcs and many episodes where he makes the right choices, the human choices sometimes despite his duty like with Cut for example he left him alone after and he was a deserter which is punishable offense and to Clone discipline and culture an insult. But his absence during ROTS surely needs a good explanation as he would've had to have removed the chip after the Bad Batch arc not before to explain why he did not joined the battle at the Jedi Temple but likely witnessed or was even arrested because he removed the chip. Wolff Filoni is partial to because its his character and Plo Koon related character, probably closest he can get to bringing back Plo. Gregor is a bit of an odd choice but I guess because of his heroic feat and he may of been damaged goods with the amnesia beforehand. It is possible there is other Clones around they could gather but also simply they're the last of the breed. But hate to think Echo's rescue was all for nothing if he's another Order 66 bot.

 

I'm still curious of the sequence of events Palpatine claimed took place to the senate that caused him to even execute this order. One would think not all of the Jedi generals were in league with a conspiracy, especially their padawans.

For a sequence of events I imagine Palpatine claimed that first Mace Windu and a few other Jedi masters tried to assassinate him and get control of information needed to control the clone army. Palpatine was able to make an emergency call to the 501st legion to assist him and eliminate the treasonous Jedi. He orders the Jedi temple locked down and all of the generals arrested or detained until an investigation can be ascertained. None of the Jedi generals comply with orders to stand down, fight back, and are killed by clone troopers innocently defending themselves. The clones occupy the temple, they are attacked by the Jedi, and an enormous battle breaks out there and starts a fire which gets out of control and kills many of the Jedi. All surviving Jedi order is outlawed and replaced with the new Imperial order of inquisitors.

The Jedi created an elaborate conspiracy to gain control of the clone army and to use it to hold the senate ransom to form its own Force led oligarchy or junta. They felt this was needed to win the Clone Wars.

 

But unlike robots they are also capable of creative thoughts. If they are capable of creative thoughts they are capable of becoming their own person, and overcoming the programming. It would be unlikely, but certainly possible. Considering how many clones were created there would certainly be a few who overcame their programming.


I don't see a problem with the "biochips". I think the problem here is more presentation of the idea by calling them a chip, as if it is unnatural or implanted. Maybe if they presented the "biochip" as just a unique section of the brain that was genetically engineered into the clones in order to control their behavior (i.e. obey any order) it wouldn't be as big of an issue. I do not see how this shifts the tragedy from the Jedi to the clones. I already saw the clones as a tragedy as they are living beings designed to die, and obey any order. Whether or not it is genetic code or C++ that controls that is irrelevant. Either way they don't have free will to make that choice for themselves.

 

Spoiler

In the new Kanan comic preview, the clone hunting Caleb down says he "just has to follow orders".

http://jedi-bibliothek.de/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Kanan5Preview4.jpg

 

Capable of creative thought to obey the order. When the clones were created it was hardwired into who they are to obey orders. Hardwiring is impossible to overcoming by creative thought. The chips are not the clones genes. Clone Captains were already given enough wiggle room without the chips because they were less genetically modified. The clones "programing" came from flash training, not from a biochip. (you'd also think a race capable of cloning and manipulation of genes would be able to make a biochip the size of fly compared to what was portrayed)

 

They may have been "programmed" a certain way, yes. But no programming is perfect, otherwise we wouldn't have had clones like Slick or Cut. In the EU there were aberrant clones up the wazoo. It's not exactly a new concept. (And if the Kaminoans are so perfect, then why did we have physically deformed specimens like 99 or the Bad Batch? And you'd think ensuring mental genetic uniformity would be considerably more tricky than avoiding physical mutations.)

And frankly, I wouldn't give two ****s about these protagonists if they were portrayed solely as the mindless automatons some of you continue to see them as. Why should I, an audience member, care about a bunch of faceless mooks that do everything they're told without question, when that would essentially put them on the level as battle droids?

 

The clones are background in the movies, like any number of Jedi who are not Yoda, Mace, Obi-wan or Anakin. TCW fleshed out clones and Jedi alike.

But I guess that goes against the movies? **** I guess Obi-wan and Anakin's relationship as shown in TCW goes against the movies as well, since we didn't see it in the movies at all. Or Padme campaigning in the senate, only in TCW since the scenes from the movies were cut.

Plenty of characters, and places and events, were fleshed out in TCW without it going against the movies.

 

You can't retcon something that didn't exist in the first place. The chips don't contradict the movies at all, the movies makes the clones follow orders and the chip makes the clones follow orders.

Where does the order 66 sequence make the clones the real victims? Is there a new special edition that cuts the sad Jedi deaths and replaces them with sad clones? It doesn't happen, the genocide of the Jedi is a tragedy. Nothing about the chips changed that, only added more victims.

As a clone fan myself, I fully expect all the clones to carry out their orders(the only one who gets a pass is Rex because he specifically had a character arc that otherwise would be wasted) all the others should have carried out order 66, so I am unsure what emotional upheaval you refer to.

 

I was under the impression that the chips merely prevented them from disobeying the order, not completely switching off their brains as they carried it out. For all we know the vast majority of clones were fully willing to do Palpatine's bidding and only a select few needed the extra prodding from their chips.

 

The chip makes the consent of the clones iffy, but so does designing them and training them all their short lives to follow orders. Can the clones in either situation truly be totally responsible for their actions?

A betrayal is only effective if the clones do form genuine relationships with the Jedi and chose to kill them. A cursory relationship can't be betrayed.