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PT Padme's death (untagged TROS spoilers)

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by Ghost, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Lucas was showing some weird kind of Force connection in ROTS between Anakin and Padme, with both ruminations before the fall, and the death/rebirth montage. I don't like how the Sequel Trilogy played out either, but since it is now one saga, improving ROTS this way improves both my opinion of the ST and of ROTS (slightly for both but still). Intention doesn't matter with canon, what's actually depicted matters.
     
  2. Mark Pierre

    Mark Pierre Jedi Knight star 1

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    How does ST in any way improve the canon? IMHO, it completely wrecks the canon, including characters, storylines, the force etc....
     
  3. CaptainEO

    CaptainEO Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    This thread just gave me the horrible revelation that discussion of the saga will now have the influence of the sequel trilogy. I guess I have to deal with it the same way you have to deal with relatives talking politics at thanksgiving lol
     
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  4. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Padme died from a broken heart, which eventually affected her health after giving birth to twins. Yes, a person's state of mind or emotions can affect his or her health. Especially after experiencing emotional or physical trauma. Or both. If Palpatine had been responsible for her death, he would have become aware of the twins. He wasn't aware of Luke until "The Empire Strikes Back" and Leia until "Return of the Jedi".
     
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  5. EntechednReformatted

    EntechednReformatted Jedi Master star 2

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    I think that's the right crime but the wrong culprit. I think Vader, blinded by rage, agony, and selfishness, drained Padme to save himself. I don't think that he realized as he was doing it that he was doing it, but he did it. From Stover's ROTS novelization:

    "You did it. You killed her. You killed her because, finally, when you could have saved her, when you could have gone away with her, when you could have been thinking about her, you were thinking about yourself ... It is in this blazing moment that you finally understand the trap of the dark side, the final cruelty of the Sith-"

    I think Sidious recognized and understood what Vader had done to survive. He was surprised and delighted, but didn't make it happen. That one's on Vader, and Sidious was more than happy to stick that truth in his heart like a knife. "It seems, in your anger, you killed her." Don't you dare blame me for your actions. I didn't make you kill her. I didn't even suggest that you should kill her. It completes the tragic irony. Pursuing the power to give life, he embraces the dark side, but that only gives him the power to take, and thus he kills the one he was desperate to save. Thematically, dramatically, metaphorically, the responsibility for Padme's death can only go one place, and that place is on Vader's head.

    "He just made her so sad that she died" might work for another character, but that's not Padme. She was protrayed as a fighter since we've known her, since she was a teenager.

    I look at it this way. Obi-Wan was betrayed by the troops he had repeatedly risked his life alongside. He also witnessed the demise of democracy, walked through the smoking ruins of his home that was littered with the corpses of Jedi, saw footage of his brother, practically his foster-son, slaughtering those Jedi, including children. He then battled his brother, cut him down, and left him to burn to death, despite the fact that he loved.him, and it ripped him apart to do it. And Obi-Wan endured. But not Padme? It was all just too much for her?

    Nope. Nope-ity nope nope nope. I don't buy it. I will never buy it. And even if that's what the author was thinking when he wrote it, I'm not persuaded that I should care. Like ... at all. If it's terrible, and the author left wide open space for a better interpretation, I get to use it.
     
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  6. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Palpatine may have been genuinely mistaken, believing that Padme died sooner than she actually did. He is not all-knowing, and his mental survey of Anakin's own memories is all he has to go on for information here.
     
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  7. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Knight star 3

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    Padme's emotional state had effected her health after giving birth to twins, which can be physically demanding for a woman. She died of a broken heart.
     
  8. Triad Moons

    Triad Moons Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I don't think the argument is necessarily against the idea of Padme dying of despair. The argument has always been two things:

    1): Leia's account (take at its most literal), the sticking point. Most Padme fans seem to reconcile with the idea of Padme dying of despair if she gets to live long enough to validate Leia's memory of her.

    2): Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith, as I remember it, have been criticized for not only downsizing its lead female character, but restructuring her more to the benefit of Anakin than her own arc. Padme's tragic death, immediately after the birth of her children, was just another sign of Lucas making her less proactive (weaker) as the character.

    That's why so many people latched onto Padme's Rebellion subplot, the concept where she would've attacked Anakin on Mustafar (but failed to follow through), and the concept art of Padme carrying the twins on her back. I think if any of those ideas remained in ROTS, there'd be fewer people saying Padme dying of despair is out of character for her.
     
  9. MissAlyssa

    MissAlyssa Jedi Youngling

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    Even in the novelization, it does not suggest that Anakin drained life from Padme.

    The quote is Anakin realizing that on Mustafar, Padme was pleading with him to run away with her. In that moment, he couldn't see her and was only focused on himself and his new power. He regrets not listening to her. And the "final cruelty of the Sith" is that he's trapped at the end in a hell of his own making. He has no one to love and no one who loves him. He just has a "shadow" that accepts all the anger and pain he's left with.

    As far as Padme's ending, it's all about the inevitability of death, IMO. Anakin thought he could cheat death and gain some power that would stop Padme from ever leaving him. But, his actions are what led to his prophecy coming true. In the end, it's exactly as Yoda says, death will happen and we must cope with it (although, I actually dislike Yoda in that scene as he is incapable of ever offering emotional support when it's needed). The medical droids are also confused, even medicine and science can't save Padme. There is no logic to it. It's her time to go and that's just life.

    Her losing the will to life, is a common enough trope especially in tragedies. Anakin is driven to commit evil acts because not even death will separate him from his lover, to the point where he corrupts his soul. Padme watching her love lose himself like that broke not only her heart, but her soul.
     
  10. BoromirsFan

    BoromirsFan Jedi Master star 4

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    Could Anakin force choking her have caused some other effect to make her die?
     
  11. Rogue Knight

    Rogue Knight Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Is it possible Padme died in order to protect the twins. For example, she knew that if Anakin sensed she died it would be more likely that the twins would remain hidden and he would think they died along with her. I know Padme isn't exactly a force user but it is possible she was attuned enough to the force to "will" herself to die in order to save them.
     
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