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Senate Pandemics in the Age of Globalization: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion: See OP Warning

Discussion in 'Community' started by Darth Punk , Jan 21, 2020.

  1. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Chosen One star 10

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  2. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    My question is. Is this really due to the vaccine role out or if this is a true decline was this just going to happen?
     
  3. Cynda

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  4. Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid

    Jedi_Sith_Smuggler_Droid Force Ghost star 6

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    I think it’s the preventative measures so many states were taking in the lead up to thanksgiving through to the New Year. People did their part and impacted the spread of the virus. Now we’re about to see another in cases as these restriction are lifted. Worse is the lower numbers never go down as far as the last low point. So the next peak will be even higher.

    It seems it’s impossible for a large segment of the population to see cause and effect if more than a few hours separate the two. Lock down measures take weeks to impact the virus. And the current numbers show it.
     
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  5. MotivateR5D4

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    Restrictions are being lifted as the Super Bowl is just around the corner. And then a month from now we'll be discussing a dramatic rise in cases.
     
  6. Darth Guy

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    When people tell their doctors where they think they got COVID, will they have to say "watching the big game" in order to avoid an NFL lawsuit?
     
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  7. Juliet316

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  9. Juliet316

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  10. Luke02

    Luke02 Chosen One star 6

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    I read a bunch of Lawrence Wright's work beyond just his book on Scientology. I will pre-order this.

    And Oklahoma no give backs for buying Tr**p's bull:

     
  11. solojones

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    Eh depends on if they restrict things at bars and all around the SB. The actual stadium itself might be ok. They're apparently following the Chief's model of pods and restricting movement (you stay in one zone and can only use bathrooms and concessions there). That had successfully led to no COVID outbreaks from the games.

    But I imagine the real issue will be full sports bars all around Tampa. I mean, even with the precautions I didn't feel comfortable going to any games this year. But good at least for the vaccinated healthcare workers who will be safe.
     
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  12. MotivateR5D4

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    But I don't mean just in Tampa. I mean all over the country where people will be having gatherings all over the place. It will basically become another holiday level rise in cases as a result. Especially now with so many stay at home orders being lifted, everybody is just going to think they can go anywhere and be around however many people they want.
     
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  13. solojones

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    Yeah I mean people definitely shouldn't do that. You can't stop people from being stupid though. Every holiday has featured ill advised gatherings. As usual I will just be watching with my parents and brother, my pod who never go anywhere besides to each other's houses.
     
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  14. Luke02

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    That was happening anyway @MotivateR5D4 which is partly why the stay at home orders are being semi reworked in some states to have a few more activities for people to do but in a more controlled and safer environment then gathering at home. But whether the restricts are tight or loose people are going to gather for the Super Bowl just like they did for Thanksgiving and Super Bowl especially in Tampa Bay and Kansas City. I just hope that people's gatherings are smaller that day/decide to stay at home and have a small party with their immediate family and picking up/delivery if they want restaurant food. That is what we are doing. The boys have been asking for Buffalo Wild Wings for quite a while now and even though I am not a big fan of their wings (their potato wedges are really good though I must admit) we might surprise them with a pickup order.
     
  15. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Chosen One star 7

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    So my Mum has been booked to get her first dose of the vaccine on 4 February. [face_dancing] Having turned 75 in December, she just made it into the higher priority 75+ group (my Dad unfortunately will need to wait until the 65+ are ready to go). Also my 88 year old aunt, of whom my Mum takes care, is getting the first vaccine dose this Friday. :)
     
  16. solojones

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    They haven't even started a system to schedule doses for people like my 87 year old grandmother with heart problems here.
     
  17. LostOnHoth

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  18. Fifi Kenobi

    Fifi Kenobi Jedi Master star 4

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    You are eligible at the end of Phase 2 - you have 2 co-morbidities. You might want to try signing up - go fill out the attestation form on the Mass DPH site. Can't hurt.

    My daughter works at a hospital and got her first Moderna last Tuesday. She is 22. Amongst her peers there is a lot of misinformation - becoming infertile, becoming a zombie, etc. I shared with her some great patient education content from MY hospital to help allay her fears. My parents are over 75 but live on an Island (Martha's Vineyard), my Dad is very computer literate but today was a ****show trying to sign up for appointments. I'm hoping they'll get their appointments ASAP.
     
  19. Kiki Jinn

    Kiki Jinn Jedi Knight star 3

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    Well with a president who did everything imaginable to fight medically sound advice and actively spread the disease, encouraging his followers to do likewise... yeah I’d say we didn’t.
     
  20. Coruscant

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    My dad has been scheduled to receive his first shot of the vaccine in just a little under two weeks. I’m really relieved; now I just need to convince my mom to get hers sooner. She’s skeptical about a vaccine that was created so quickly.
     
  21. FatBurt

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    It was only done quicker because of the urgency and shear number of volunteers for testing. It's had the same level of testing a vaccine with a ten year development cycle has had.
    This is mainly because funding and volunteers have been no issue.

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  22. KnightWriter

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    I don't think any single thing had received this much global attention and funding since the original creation of nuclear weapons. Of course, the attention was secret in that case, but governments were aware just the same.

    On second thought, probably the race to the moon was on that level.
     
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  23. jcgoble3

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    The better figure is hospitalization rates. Mild cases that resolve at home are important for overall tracking, but don't significantly contribute to the current severity level. Theoretically speaking, we could have ten times as many cases as we have now without major immediate issues (other than testing capacity and backlog) if 100% of the additional cases all resolve at home. (Long-term effects are a different story.)

    The critical factor is when those cases don't resolve at home and require hospitalization. Hospital beds are a limited resource, and if they fill up, tough decisions have to be made. The number of cases currently in the hospital therefore provides a good picture of how severe the situation is.

    And Ohio's hospitalization counts are dropping pretty steadily. We've had seven consecutive days below 3,500, which has triggered a relaxation of the curfew (11pm instead of 10pm). We're actually now below 3,000, which if that lasts for seven days will kick the curfew to midnight.

    I think we're seeing major drops in hospitalization counts because of vaccinations. While very few have been vaccinated, the people that have received shots are those most at risk for death or hospitalization: nursing home residents, medical workers, elderly, and those with severe comorbidities. Even when only one shot has been received, there is still a significant level of protection from that single shot. Of course, two shots is always better.

    I believe that we have permanently passed the final peak for hospitalization rates. I think they will only go down from here now that those most at risk of complications have been or are being vaccinated.
     
  24. Ramza

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    Well, there’s a two to three week delay on hospitalization rates, so if you’re trying to figure out if you’re currently seeing a downturn in new cases, not so much, no. :p I agree that they’re important for determining measures, though.
     
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  25. CairnsTony

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    I don't understand this study's claim that countries with low populations mostly did better. There are six in the top ten best performing nations that are densely populated, namely: Vietnam, Taiwan, Thailand, Cyprus, Rwanda, and Sri Lanka; and of those, two have large populations: Vietnam (96 million) and Thailand (69 million). We also know that Japan (with well over 100 million people) and South Korea (51 million) have also done well.

    The study also claims that being an island helps. As may be in some cases, but one can hardly make this claim with Thailand and Vietnam, both of which have long land borders. And there are island nations that have done poorly (*cough* UK).

    There may be some correlation, but I'm highly sceptical that there's always causation. Some of those countries have poor infrastructure, or at least not as good as many Western countries, but this has not appreciably held them back. I'd argue that the other main factor is a population relatively willing to comply with all reasonable health measures, including restrictions on their movements to combat the pandemic.
     
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