Philosophy of the Jedi and Sith

hah! You mean like the 1,000-year New Sith War, where technological development slowed to the point that wooden spaceships were going around?

The SW galaxy has reached a technological plateau for the most part; not much new comes along regardless of who's in charge.

And I wouldn't consider things like the Death Star to be societal advancement in the slightest; it's like regarding Auschwitz and the atomic bomb as improving humanity.

 

The thread can't be dead already, we have barely scratched the surface of Jedi/Sith philosophy!

Ok, what about force vision when facing trials, like Luke's on Dagobah or Anakin's in the caves?

 

Are the dark jedi masters afraid of their pupils corrupted by the light side,pr thats something jedi whine about/

 

Clearly Palpatine should have been afraid of this, if he wasn't.

And for the sake of semantics, can anyone be "corrupted" by the light side?

 

If we think as a sith yes.The light side spreads corruption all over the galaxy.

 

No, because while the light side is natural, the dark side is not.

 

Proof?

 

That's an interesting perspective, one that hasn't occurred to me before. I would think that it isn't something that most Sith Lords are afraid of. I think that this is because the dark side is hard to escape from but easy to stay within because of it's addictive power. Once on the dark path, it seems that one is twisted to become a monster.

 

The light side follows the will of the Force, while the dark side warps events to a Force-user's will. And...Lucas says so.

 

,,The light side follows the will of the Force, ,,

And the Dark side doesent?

If the dark side is more seductive why havent all jedi been wiped out.

 

Most Jedi haven't started the path towards the darkside, remember what Yoda says in ESB.

 

IMO we are meant to believe Yoda when he says that the dark side is more seductive.

 

Yes... and in telling Luke that it is "easier and more seductive", he is warning him to be careful.

 

What we see in the movies (as well as what we are told by Lucas) is that the Sith corrupt the Force by using it to meet their own ends (ie engage in dark side practices), while the Jedi use themselves to bring the will of the Force to fruition. Balance of the Force probably means something like "harmony", as opposed to "equal numbers" (which it most likely can't mean). Having the Sith around using the dark side, making its strength grow, and corrupting the Force by using it in negative, harmful ways throws the Force as a whole out of balance.

 

The jedi dont seem too have a problem suporting the Republic.

Isnt that some sort of corruption?

 

The Republic is corrupt, but the Jedi are more corrupt for being caught in between a war.

 

Not really. The Jedi were fighting to defend democracy, freedom, peace, and to stop the 'oppression of the Sith' from returning to the galaxy. They were unknowingly serving a Sith Lord, but that's the key, unknowingly.

The Republic is certainly corrupt, but most democracies are to some extent and it was still better than any of the alternatives. The CIS wanted to create a corporate state, the Hutts were slavers and gangsters, and the Sith create the Empire.

 

,,The Republic is certainly corrupt, but most democracies are to some extent and it was still better than any of the alternatives.,,

Yes but the republic was so corrupt that,it accepted Palpatines rule in the matter of months.

 

It actually took over a decade for Palpatine to slowly acrue power before he could declare himself Emperor. We also see that the Republic never completely accepts Palpatine's rule given that Bail, Mon Mothma, Leia, and other Republic/Imperial Senators are leaders of the Rebellion.

 

The people accepted an Emperor with huge authority in the matter of days,thats still a fact.


No matter how slowly gained power it was clear from the begining that Palpy is calling almost all the shots.

 

No, dark side users warp the Force to their will. Light side users follow the Force's will. That's the fundamental difference. They aren't simply points of view. They're actually methods of harnessnig the Force in different ways.

 

Interesting, however I kind of think that the dark side also has a will of it's own in that it seems Sidious meditates just before naming Anakin as Darth Vader. Almost as if it were the dark side itself talking through Sidious when his voice changes. If that were the case, wouln't that mean that the force and its dark side are seperate? The force has an evil twin!

 

No, it's not. RotS makes it clear that he's gained a lot of his power over the course of the war. The Republic doesn't become the Empire by the flick of a switch. It's essentially there by the time the Jedi rescue the Chancellor.

 

It was not that fast but Palps became Emperor from Chancelor in the matter of hours.

How would the people in the U.S. react,if Bush would declared himself dictator in 2003?

 

It seems very clear that the Force is neither "light" nor "dark", only the users. Some are conflicted. In the case of Palpatine we see a determined evil. In Yoda and Mace we see a monkish view of what the "good" represents.
It seems clear that the Force is manipulated according to the desires of the sentients drawing on it. I would liken it to Power and strength, or determination. All tools, to be used rightly or unjustly are but merely tools and what we make of them.
It could be argued that the Force; is but a manifestation of our own power. Free will, strength, determination are one and the same. If your impossible scenario had happened it would be stopped. -Lord Turin