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ST Poe Dameron/Oscar Isaac Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'Sequel Trilogy' started by Pro Scoundrel , Jan 3, 2020.

  1. ScorpioGirl

    ScorpioGirl Jedi Knight star 3

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    So, how do you guys think Poe feels about the Force? In the comics, he seems to like it and accept it, but in TROS it seems like he doesn't understand it.
     
  2. ScorpioGirl

    ScorpioGirl Jedi Knight star 3

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    So, how do you guys think Shara Bey (Poe's mom) died? All we know is that she died in space alone. Now, I know that Disney just didn't think of a cause of death and they probably don't want to or don't care, but it's still fun to speculate!

    I think it's either:

    1. She flew out in space and ran out of fuel and her comms were down so she died of starvation/suffocation
    2. She had a severe case of bloodburn (space cancer, basically), and she wanted one last adventure, so she flew out in space, but died before she could return home.
    3. Poe got kidnapped by the FO (or pirates), Shara followed them out into space. She saved Poe, but was unable to save herself.

    What do you guys think?
     
  3. rocknroll41

    rocknroll41 Jedi Master star 4

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  4. Darth Chuck Norris

    Darth Chuck Norris Jedi Master star 4

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    I think it's exactly as you described it. He likes and accepts the force, even if he doesn't understand it. Understanding and liking something are not mutually exclusive. In other words, you don't have to understand something to like it. I don't understand women, but I still like them.
     
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  5. SmokeMonster4815162342

    SmokeMonster4815162342 Jedi Master star 3

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    I think Poe on his own is kind of an interesting character, at least by TLJ/TROS, seeing how a pilot deals with the burden of becoming a general, specifically the leader of the tiny rebellion fighting for the fate of the galaxy.

    But at the same time, it does feel like they just felt the need to develop him because of this adherence to the trio mold, cohesion/flow of the story (specifically TFA) be damned. And yet the story never had them all together (till TROS), building the friendship that factors in to the main character’s choice at the end with the Emperor, so what was the point of the trio mold.

    I also think there was a big missed opportunity not telling a deeper story about the Resistance/Stormtrooper dynamic between him and Finn, their contrasting views on war, etc. Their over-the-top bromance in TFA could have been more forgiven if it was used to set up a tragic rift between the two later on.
     
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  6. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    I definitely agree with that. In TFA, Poe didn't serve much of a purpose after the opening act, but given the bromance, they had a golden opportunity to use him as a tool in Finn's continuing trilogy arc. A tragic rift that leads to discord within the Resistance itself but is ultimately mended by, for instance, a noble self-sacrifice in the final film (it could be Poe giving his life to save Finn and others) could've been incredibly meaningful.
    I'm basically thinking a fully developed take on the "Don't destroy what you hate, save what you love" theme - one that has actual ramifications in the story, especially in regards to Finn and how the war ends.
     
  7. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Poe at times seems abit like Han Solo. and once they realised Poe had that vibe to him, they probably felt he was too good to kill off.
     
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  8. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Possibly, yeah. All the more reason to kill him off, from my perspective!
     
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  9. alwayslurking

    alwayslurking Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't think keeping Poe alive was a bad idea at all. Charismatic and gifted actor who has an interesting dynamic with the leads? Keep him around! The problem came when they decided he needed a big huge character arc, especially given that he had to go through a personality transplant for it to happen. IMO, as far as placement in the story goes, Poe was really the Leia of the ST. Leia had a wonderful story in the OT and showed a lot of growth, but she didn't go through some kind of transformative arc. She remained pretty consistent, and was really an anchor to the story. Poe should have been used in service to Finn's and possibly eventually Rey's journey. It's not the character of Poe that was the problem, it was the writer's.
     
  10. SmokeMonster4815162342

    SmokeMonster4815162342 Jedi Master star 3

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    Finn taking Poe’s jacket should have had more meaning, specifically when he decides to run from the fight in TFA. A shameful reminder of his cowardice. Finn being told to keep it by Poe should have happened at the end of film, symbolic of Finn having earned it.

    And Poe should have been the pilot to fly Finn into Starkiller base. Han could have died earlier on Maz’s planet.

    Poe and Finn should have been together during TLJ, like Han/Leia in ESB, where we see their friendship really develop. Rose could have been Poe, and just axe the Holdo mutiny story.
     
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  11. FromDromundKaasWithLove

    FromDromundKaasWithLove Jedi Master star 3

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    Yes, there's this misconception in writing that every protagonist-esque character in a story needs to undergo a character arc and that is simply not true. A static character is not necessarily a bad character.
     
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  12. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Poe should have never disappeared in the first place. He could have helped Rey pilot the Falcon while Finn shot down the FO fighters. I would have liked to see banter between Poe and Han Solo since they're similar characters.

    I disagree that Han should have died earlier though. Him dying at the end was fine and cemented the new generation of heroes picking up where the older heroes left off.
     
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  13. Master_Lok

    Master_Lok Force Ghost star 6

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    Some good ideas here, understand the criticisms too. I like Poe, more in my rewatches. I just wish the filmmakers liked him and Finn and thought about storylines more. Less reliance on the OT, more unique ideas.
     
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  14. Talos of Atmora

    Talos of Atmora Force Ghost star 5

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    The problem was that, in TFA, they didn't so they laughably resorted to having Finn (the traumatized child soldier) be the one to deliver the quippy one-liners while traipsing around with Rey. Honestly, him and Finn would have worked better as foils if Finn acted more like he should have and Poe accompanied him throughout the whole film.
     
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  15. sian1965

    sian1965 Jedi Knight star 4

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    Yet another complaint I have with TROS is how that poignant little message was completely ignored.
     
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  16. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Presumbaly the idea early on was that Finn was gonna take Poe's place after Poe dies in the crash. probably filling in the spot that no longer has Poe in the resistance. which is why he takes the jacket. but since they decided to not kill Poe. that likely changed. Poe was still Poe, Finn was just Finn.
     
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  17. LAJ_FETT

    LAJ_FETT Tech Admin (2007-2023) - She Held Us Together star 10 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    TV note for Oscar Isaac fans in the UK with Sky TV - new series Scenes From a Marriage starts on Sky Atlantic Monday evening at 9PM. It's a remake of the Swedish miniseries and has Oscar Isaac and Jessica Chastain in the leading roles. Here's the official HBO website.
     
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  18. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    Now this is a thread I’ve not seen in a long time!
     
  19. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Its kinda Poe-ist if you ask me.
     
  20. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Isaac showed up on SNL two weeks ago in What's Up with That and I still think of him as Poe. He really needs BB-8 in any appearance or medium.
     
  21. JoJoPenelli

    JoJoPenelli Chosen One star 6

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    When I saw him in Dune I could just see him as Poe…
     
  22. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I still see King John from Ridley Scott's otherwise underwhelming Robin Hood; Isaac was a revelation in what any other actor would have found a dragging role to execute.

    I'd pay good money to see that John played by Isaac in a Baron's War movie.
     
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  23. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 7

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    I’d seen Isaac in a lot of things prior to him being Poe, and so I don’t have that problem. In fact, his Poe has never really stuck with me.
     
  24. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    The beard helped a bit in Dune for me to not think of Poe, also he was playing a more mature paternal figure, and I'm sure him being Moon Knight and kicking ass all over the place will be neat as well. I'm considering watching The Card Counter even though by all accounts it's not exactly great but, hey, more Isacc!

    But yah now that he was on SNL for What's Up with That I want him to host now haha
     
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  25. FightoftheForgotten

    FightoftheForgotten Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It's hard to carry that line through when even TLJ has someone say it under the most contradictory circumstances possible. You can't "save what you love" when they're getting atomized by a death laser right behind you.
     
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