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JCC Political ****posting Thread

Discussion in 'Community' started by Lord Vivec, Jun 5, 2017.

  1. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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    I'd say if the proper expression of Leninism is a capitalist country ~but it has a politburo~ then as a socialist program it's about as worthless as Paul Mattick always said it was. However, I don't think that's the case. Nor do I think Marx was especially in the "take what you can get" camp given his repeated and correct willingness to drag even his so-called adherents through the mud for their doctrinal deficiencies. I'm not a meme leftcom, I don't think Marxist revolutionaries were crypto-bourgies or whatever. But if we're not learning from where these things went wrong (and because we still live under a thriving and contradictory laden capitalism they all absolutely did), and just excusing their slides into capitalism if there are enough red flags, then it's all worthless.

    And I would hope I didn't have to explain to anyone purporting to be any kind of Marxist that Yugo-****ing-slavia is not really a worthwhile example of much of anything in terms of socialist goals.

    Edit: On a lighter but no less sectarian note:
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  2. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    For the record I am dunking on all of us with that last bit.
     
  3. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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  4. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    vncramza
     
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  5. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA VIP

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  6. Clone_Cmdr_Wedge

    Clone_Cmdr_Wedge Jedi Master star 4

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  7. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    the true Marxist ideology.

    And to be clear, even market socialism is something and taking what you can get is not an excuse for state capitalism, but we must be pragmatic. Yugoslavia was more a matter of contrast, you have it or the USSR, Angola or Cuba, etc. Variations, many bad some good, all shaped often against their will. "real socialism" is irrelevant to socialist struggle when it is happening. I am not defending Titoism, I legit have never even met a Titoist in person before, they may be a myth

    A nation that was bombed into the stone age and embargoed for decades is not going to fit an ideal socialist economic plan. Socialism is already a transitionary state, and Vietnam has been through hell only to go back into hell when the USSR collapsed and they lost their relationship.

    Vietnam is not sliding into capitalism with red flags, like I get the concern and an facepalming non-stop at tankies talking about China; but I feel it is reductive given Vietnam's circumstances and genuine dedication to socialism ideologically. A capitalist nation with red flags is not the same as a flawed socialist nation, and to be frank I find the implication dismissive and leaning towards puritanical. I get that that's not the intent, but I think the critique is simplistic and rude to the literal communists in Vietnam. They live a more socialist existence everyday than probably anyone here, sure they have compromises, rather unfortunate ones, but they still have that lived experience and actually exist.
    Luna has a video more specifically about this. I just reject the idea that markets = capitalism or that Vietnam is not socialist due to it not perfectly meeting Marx's vision of late 19th century Europe

    excuse the stereotype of the non-vietnamese leftist screaming that Vietnam is not socialist cause reddit said so, obviously that was for effect. But I think that actually highlights something important, that is what the attitudes of leftists who say that feels like to actual Vietnamese comrades.

    If we wanna have solidarity, that does not mean uncritically believing any nation with a red flag is commie, trust me I made that mistake and am not allowed in Switzerland anymore, but it does mean having critical support with Vietnam and appreciating why aberrations occur when socialism is put into actual practice and then bombed and blockaded. It is easy to critique, but much harder to maintain a revolution in spite of embargo and invasion from capitalists and Chinese communists.

    Sorry Vivec, memes as penance, I wanted to make up here clarity.
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    also found LordBan's dog
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    and hey can't be sectarian without also dunking on Bernie-types
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  8. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    somebody kill me
     
  9. Lowbacca_1977

    Lowbacca_1977 Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Society's working on it
     
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  10. Darth Guy

    Darth Guy Chosen One star 10

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  11. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    vnc loses likes from me by posting the walls of memes, because I want to like some of them but not others. :p
     
  13. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    and not the walls of text? I mean I wouldn't like me given the text. I am assuming it is the last meme?
     
  14. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Last two, I’m not big on severed heads either and I think I missed the point of that meme overall. Loved the first ones though.

    And I like many of your walls of text.
     
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  15. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I didn't start the srsposting this time.
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    aww why thank you. The 2nd one is cause people respond to amazing posts with something like this
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    but instead.....well ya know different kind of king
     
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  16. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I’m all for socialism, I just can’t stand socialists.
     
  17. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 6

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    Just for you, vncredleader:

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  18. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    I just wanted to show up here to gloat.
     
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  19. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I get the sense that that's a lie for some reason. everyone is socialist until a revolution succeeds. It's a tail as old as time
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    Is it really insufferable to ask that people listen to Vietnamese people as to whether or not their country is socialist? I feel it is pretty warranted, moreso than the armchair observers. Leftcoms gonna leftcom
     
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  20. Darth Punk

    Darth Punk JCC Manager star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    @vncredleader I wouldn’t call it a lie, but I can’t obviously stand behind my statement under closer inspection. I just like to rip on you is all x
     
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  21. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    Oh I know, it is just healthier to make leftcom jokes than trot ones. Cause I swear to god I will gouge my own eyes out if I see another unfunny ice-pick meme. So much material wasted
     
  22. Adam of Nuchtern

    Adam of Nuchtern Force Ghost star 5

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    You know that scene in the beginning of the
     
  23. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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  24. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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  25. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    You are enjoying my suffering nobody deserves a vnc wall do text