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Speculation Post-Sequel Future Of The Galaxy? (Newer Republic? Something different?)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - IX: SA' started by Ghost, Dec 30, 2017.

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Which do you prefer for the state of the galaxy, after Episode IX?

  1. Newer Republic/Third Republic (New Republic with small changes)

    21.8%
  2. Something New (big changes, like a Multi-State Galaxy, Radically-Different Republic, something else)

    78.2%
  1. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    What will be the post-ST future state of the GFFA?



    The OT was about restoring what was lost (Republic and Jedi), and hoping to make the new better than the old. Get the old car running again by replacing a few parts, and repaint it.

    The PT showed how they were lost, but also how flawed they (Republic and Jedi) were. The old car doesn't just need a repaint, it needs to be replaced completely, and didn't work well with the owners living in Manhattan anyways.

    The ST shows a perfect storm absolutely destroyed the restored, somewhat improved system (Republic and Jedi), with talk about how it was already flawed even after just being restored. The old, repainted car has broken down again.


    Instead of simply restoring it again with maybe some more small improvements but still flawed, I think the minds behind the ST see this as a chance of completely remaking the system. Kylo Ren is the destroyer of the old, he proclaimed in TLJ, and Rey/Poe/Finn/Rose will likely be the builders of the new. Instead of redoing the car, replacing a few parts, they decide to just buy a subway pass since they live in Manhattan, to conclude that metaphor.


    This isn't to gloss over the real reforms the New Republic made... just that something even more fundamental than the placement of the capital and mandated-elections of its Senators needs to change.
    Replace the Senate completely.
    Replace the Republic completely.


    Politically,

    1. Maybe it's moving towards a multi-state galaxy split between 200 truly-independent powers in an alliance, with about 50 being equally the most powerful of these new states... something like that.

    2. Maybe it's moving towards a direct democracy via hyperspace voting.

    3. Maybe Hyperspace itself is destroyed in an Episode 9 cataclysm, and only Force-users can guide ships to FTL speeds after the ST.


    Etc.

    That kind of "thinking outside the box," for an example of real drastic changes.

    What other huge changes for the galaxy could there be?





    OR





    If we are going to go with only a soft-reboot of the New Republic, what changes should there be?



    These are reforms the New Republic already made after ROTJ, to be better than the Old Republic of the PT. These reforms were for both the idealistic loyalists who became Rebel Alliance founders (people like Mon Mothma, Bail Organa, Padme Amidala) as well as to draw in the idealistic former Separatists who wanted a more decentralized government.

    *direct, democratic elections for every Senator (no more appointments)
    *worlds were temporarily elected as the capital of the Republic, from Chandrila to Hosnian Prime and likely more (no longer Coruscant-centric)
    *a weakened Chancellorship (and no longer called "Supeme")
    *equal votes/Senators for worlds
    *worlds were given more power, having their own local starfleets and defense forces, with the blessing of the Senate
    *a reduced galactic military, passing Military Disarmament Act about a year after ROTJ
    *it allowed separatist worlds to peacefully secede, and didn't try to force worlds to join either (and was therefore smaller than the Old Republic and the Old Empire)


    But for the obvious flaws of the New Republic:

    *there was a hyper-partisan split between the Centrist party (who wanted a stronger central government, with weaker planetary governments, like the ~1800 Hamilton-led faction in the early USA) and the Populist party (who wanted a weaker central government, with stronger planetary governments, like the ~1800 Jefferson-led faction in the early USA)

    *the hyper-partisan split, combined with a powerless ceremonial Chancellor for an executive, and with each side controlling less than half of the Senate (with the rest being neutral/swing votes) meant hardly anything ever got done... part of the reason why Leia quit as Senator in frustration, even though she was a Populist she learned that the Centrists had a point... the New Republic Senate might have even been do hard to agree that they didn't even have a Chancellor at all for a few years

    *some of the Centrists later become separatists and peacefully seceded and declared independence from the New Republic, and tricked into joining the First Order (thought at the time to just be a puny force that came out of hiding in the Unknown Regions)

    *after the First Order worlds peacefully declared independence from the New Republic, it seems they elected Chancellor Villecham (presumably a Populist, who would then have a majority), and he ignored the threat of them joining with the military force in the Unknown Regions (likely because he was a populist and didn't believe in a strong government or military, to prevent the New Republic from becoming another Empire)

    *Leia was so unpopular back on Hosnian Prime, even among former Populist allies, and the Senate was so corrupt, that she feared she'd be assassinated if she went back

    *some New Republic Senators were so corrupt they were still secretly on the First Order's side, getting paid off by them through corporate connections

    *there were also arms dealers and military corporations who were secretly funding the First Order (as well as the Republic and Resistance) without being caught or stopped by the New Republic (now seen in film too, on Canto Bight)

    *Lor San Tekka says there is a lot of despair in the galaxy.

    *And after TFA: Hosnian Prime is destroyed, its Senate is wiped out, its galactic Starfleet is wiped out... Rey in TLJ says the major systems might only hold off for a few weeks, even with Starkiller Base destroyed (though before the Supremacy's destruction and the Snoke-Ren transition of power)



    So if we do return to the New Republic (Newer Republic? Third Republic? :p ), after the survivors on the Millennium Falcon rally the others (including hopefully some systems with strong planetary defense forces pooling their forces together, able to withstand the siege in-between TLJ and IX), I hope we see:

    1. Some way to crackdown on the military corporations and arms dealers (like the ones we saw on Canto Bight, first alluded to in the TFA VD). But how??
    2. Some way to crackdown on Senate corruption. But how??
    3. A stronger (and more widespread) executive than what the New Republic had, still can't become another Palpatine. But how??
    4. A stronger (and more widespread) Republic Fleet, without playing right into the arms dealers' hands. But how??


    And more for my own personal tastes...

    5. officially eliminate the "Elder Houses"/titles of nobility from having any special political status, and make all planetary/system/sector governors democratically-elected just like their Senators are in theory.
    6. keep the rotating capital (but make it more regular, if it wasn't already)... or just have a mobile Capital (like the FO's Supremacy... just give it hyperspace shields :p )
    7. maybe balance a stronger executive by also introducing a population-based House of Representatives/Parliament... or just have the second legislative chamber be direct democracy/referenda
    8. don't sign a treaty with any remnant of the mass-murdering and tyrannical First Order unless it's total surrender, to prevent a repeat




    Which would you prefer, and what are the details of what you want in the post-ST state of the galaxy?
     
  2. The One Above All

    The One Above All Jedi Padawan star 1

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    It's heavily implied that at the end of Episode VIII, the New Republic is no more and that our heroes are heading back to their roots as a rebellion. I keep thinking of Leia's words from the end of Bloodline; "The Sun is setting on the New Republic. It's time for the Resistance to Rise." Episode IX will see the Resistance emerge victorious. That much is guaranteed. But how will the galaxy be organised after that victory? Could we end up with something akin to the Galactic Alliance from the old EU? It seems like the goal of this trilogy has been to move on from what came before, which makes me think that we're not going back to status quo, with a Republic run by a chancellor operating out of Coruscant.

    Thoughts?
     
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  3. Jozgar

    Jozgar Jedi Knight star 3

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    I’d prefer a new, but still democratic, form of government. In keeping with the themes of moving on from the past. Perhaps a Federation might work better- a middle ground between those who want a centralized government and those who want a very decentralized system.
     
  4. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    It has failed twice, someone needs to come up with something new that isn't a dictatorship like the Empire. What works in the real world yet isn't popular with others with different political philosophies may be an interesting way forward...
     
  5. Admiral_Wyvern

    Admiral_Wyvern Jedi Knight star 2

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    I get that it seems a bit lame to instate the New Republic part 2, but calling it something else would just seem like a meaningless distinction. Granted we already have the Resistance and the First Order.
     
  6. All_Powerful_Jedi

    All_Powerful_Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I don't think it'll be seen in the movies. I think they'll just destroy the First Order and go off into the (twin) sunset at the end. They seem to "not want to get bogged down in the politics" of everything, which is why everything in both movies is left either really vague or basic.
     
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  7. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I'm not sure if you're replying to me, if you were then I didn't mean just changing the name. Change the whole philosophy of what the Republic is, push it from centre position, to somewhere either left or right. And it would be a massive bonus of pissing off Trump if it was a more socialistic government.
     
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  8. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Any comments/ideas?
     
  9. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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  10. Pro Scoundrel

    Pro Scoundrel New Films Lawgiver & Casual Flyer star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    THREAD MERGE.
     
  11. Admiral_Wyvern

    Admiral_Wyvern Jedi Knight star 2

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    I was responding more to the question of whether or not the Republic should be reinstated. I definitely agree that the Republic needs to change it's philosophy, since neither iteration seemed to be able to protect itself from threats. There should be a middle ground between that and autocracy.

    I suppose another option is for there to be no central government whatsoever and have the local systems rule themselves.
    Edit: I think the dissolution of a central government is honestly the most logical direction based on the way things are going.
     
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  12. Django Fett

    Django Fett Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes that is a very viable option, creating what could evolve in some systems as peaceful well organised local government. Then you may get local Warlords in other more out of the way systems, I could see something like the Nal Hutta sector being very much like this. It may have already begun after the New Republic's destruction.
     
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  13. ObidioJuan

    ObidioJuan Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    The remnants of the GFFA will move to live on ships as nomads travelling and fighting for ever a new threat consistent of super advanced robots called Cyclones.

    :D
     
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  14. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Going back to Coruscant is the worst option possible.

    The Resistance as an organization is destroyed, they are the rebels again now.
     
  15. The One Above All

    The One Above All Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I heard somewhere that the First Order now controls Coruscant. Is that true?
     
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  16. 11-4D

    11-4D Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I don't think it's going to be explored in IX at all.
     
  17. Darth_Bertie

    Darth_Bertie Force Ghost star 5

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    I think it will obviously not be explored in IX. I would expect that in 10 years, a new set of movies is started, without the roman numbers and with the Skywalker saga closed, in which a TPM-like state of the galaxy is used. With a well stablished government, and a flourishing Jedi Order lead by Rey.

    I believe the conflict needs to be between a democratic government and a new menace, not an Empire 3.0.
     
  18. Resistance Trooper 2

    Resistance Trooper 2 Jedi Padawan star 1

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    The future of the Saga is about showing the endless challenges of maintaining a democracy -- that's what this ST should have been about.

    The story should explore:

    How does a democracy retain its principles and values while a variety of other systems with different values resist joining the Republic and even actively fight against it?

    For example, what do the Jedi and Republic do about a slave system or crime system or warrior system (like Mandalore)? What do they do about anarchic (libertarian) systems (not sure how different this would be from crime systems)? In a way, they need to take the Star Trek approach, but without the Prime Directive.

    And you can throw an alien invasion in here too, at some point, like the Vong or whatever, but the whole point of interest would be the clash of different values and how democracy can remain ethical despite having to fight in wars (or if this always isn't possible -- must we sometimes have a "state of exception").

    I'd love to see SW move in this direction. Too bad Lucas wasn't allowed to do this for the ST!
     
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  19. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    A multi-polar GFFA with competing interests and no single hegemonic power like an Empire or New Republic. You will have an Imperial remnant, New Republic, free systems, neutral systems, non-aligned, corporatist worlds, industrialized ones, anarchic ones, etc.
     
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  20. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    To be fair that's pretty much what we've got between the OT and the ST.
     
  21. BalanceOfTheForce

    BalanceOfTheForce Jedi Knight star 3

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    A New Republic where they are actually smart and don't demilitarise.
     
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  22. The Regular Mustache

    The Regular Mustache Force Ghost star 5

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    All of this implies that LFL will make more sequels but I have a feeling they’d rather make prequels.
     
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  23. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Superninja of New Films star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    A constitutional monarchy with Rey as Empress.
     
  24. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Anarcho-syndicalism is the future.
     
  25. Justin Gensel

    Justin Gensel Jedi Knight star 2

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    I think spreading things out too much creates the same problem as having too much governance choking out representation. With too many people all trying to go their own way there's no real way to enforce law or provide stability, because if an outside force (like the Jedi) tries to step in to oppose an invasion or something similar, they're easily accused of invading in matters where they don't belong and providing an unfair advantage to whomever they side with. By the same token, if the ruling body exerts too much control over the actions of good people, stymieing them from acting, then you have the forces of law and order being rendered all but useless. You have to have SOME form of central law and authority from which people can draw stability, while at the same time allowing for freedom of expression and a certain degree of autonomy to promote growth. The Republic was a good start, but like the Jedi Order that served it, that body grew stagnant and feared change too much, which allowed the bloat and corruption of bureaucracy to undermine it. If you want an idea of a Wild West style galaxy, well, we've been sitting in that since the saga began and no one is really any better off. At some point, the races are going to have to assume personal responsibility and recognize that they can accomplish more by working together than by trying to isolate and all live completely independent of one another. Whether they call it a Republic or something else, well that's up to the storytellers to decide I suppose.