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Solo Potential remnants of Lord and Miller's vision

Discussion in 'Anthology' started by Gamma626, May 25, 2018.

  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

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    Yeah. I think we also heard that because of their improv style, they were only using one or two cameras on set, which was making the shoot take way longer than planned, and not producing the amount of shots needed, etc. This was threatening to smash the budget and run way over schedule. On top of that, Kasdan was annoyed about the script being used as kindling. It was a perfect ****storm.
     
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  2. Aximili86

    Aximili86 Jedi Master star 4

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    Yeah, sure their filming approach was part of it, especially given Edwards ran into some trouble with his guerrilla handheld techniques on Rogue One, causing headaches for ILM.

    Larry seems to get a bad wrap over the script stuff on Solo - directors tinker with stuff all the time, no movie's 100% as written, but if they were deviating from it majorly and rather just making **** up on the spot, he's got a right to object. Especially if what they're doing isn't producing much that's usable or efficient.
     
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  3. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Jedi Master star 4

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    Larry Kasdan has always been overrated by SW fans. All you have to know about him is that he hated the “I know” scene in ESB because Harrison Ford adlibbed instead of sticking with Kasdan’s hack dialogue.
     
  4. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

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    The story is that Lucas objected to Ford’s adlib as well. So if this incident alone justifies your overrated label for Kasdan, you’re also implying that you think Lucas is overrated (at least as a writer). Which isn’t necessarily unreasonable, mind you. Just pointing it out.
     
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  5. Aximili86

    Aximili86 Jedi Master star 4

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    :rolleyes: The guy wrote Raiders, Empire & Jedi. An improv or two from Harrison doesn't change that.

    Empire & Jedi & Raiders weren't a majority improvised, they had a couple improvs here and there. Whole different situation to Lord & Miller.
     
  6. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    I think I heard something similar. LFL wanted 12-15 angles per scene for coverage and they did only 3. They filmed the script as planned, then did improv on top of that. Don’t know if the sun of this would lead ti overruns. Also, when Howard came on board he was more efficient, using half the studio space to film. Of course, when to go from 80% film completed to Howard finishing the unshot scenes as well as reshoots to get the tone right and for the villain having to be replaced that will drive costs up even more. And assumed L&M got paid some of their salary plus Howard got his as well as the new actor playing the new villain, maybe even Kasdan for doing rewrites for the new villain.

    I think I also heard the reason the Alden wasn’t acting up to snuff for L&M and had to be given a coach after production was underway was because the improvisation was throwing him off. He felt like the movie was becoming too much like Ace Ventura or Guardians of the Galaxy and he complained.

    After seeing Spider-Man into the Spiderverse I can see why their brand of humor wouldn’t be right for a SW movie. And that movie is a masterpiece.
     
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  7. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

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    The acting coach wasn’t brought on just for Alden. The coach was brought on as a resource for all the cast to help them understand/ work with L&M’s comedic style. Unfortunately, the this news was spread inaccurately, helping to smear Alden’s reputation.
     
  8. The Legions of Lettow

    The Legions of Lettow Jedi Master star 5

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    Thanks for the clarification.
     
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  9. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Jedi Master star 4

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    Kasdan did a glorified dialogue polish on the scripts for Empire and Jedi. Everything awesome in them came from George Lucas.
     
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  10. Aximili86

    Aximili86 Jedi Master star 4

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    No duh the big idea story stuff came from Lucas, same as any of the movies he didn't write solely. Or any of the Indy stuff.

    One would also argue that a lot of the dialogue is what puts Empire & Jedi & Raiders among the other movies.
     
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  11. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

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    Yeah, though I think ANH is pretty consistently rated above ROTJ.
     
  12. AEHoward33

    AEHoward33 Jedi Master star 4

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    I had heard Alden was having trouble with Lord and Miller. I had no idea that the rest of the cast was having trouble with them as well. Kathleen Kennedy should have kept a closer eye on this production from the beginning. It's like I have said before . . . the franchise needs a solitary voice.
     
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  13. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Feige's #1 Fan and Ryan Church Aficionado star 6

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    Yes, the "consultant" was brought on for the whole cast, not just Alden. The smear about Alden simply seemed true to people who didn't think he looked or acted like Ford, and so it stuck.
     
  14. DartJackson

    DartJackson Jedi Youngling star 1

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    ROTJ in my opinion is not an example for pride. TESB was largely written before Kasdan's involvement. The Raiders remain, and even those were the result of plot meetings where Lucas put together the entire film, and then Kasdan left and added dialogue to this.

    Kasdan was not in the same position on these films as Lucas himself when writing AHN. Many people choose to ignore this fact. Although he certainly contributed, although not as fundamental as everyone thinks.

    By the way, the latest films written by Kasdan before TFA are rated below Lucas' prequels. And he is also the owner of the Golden Raspberry (while not an indicator, I find it unfair that many are nodding at Lucas Rasberry while ignoring Kasdan's Rasberry).
     
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  15. DartJackson

    DartJackson Jedi Youngling star 1

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    To be honest, I don't understand the admiration for dialogue in TESB and ROTJ. There are enough clumsy lines. Dialogue has never been central to Star Wars films.
     
  16. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    The dialogue in ESB flows amazingly well imo. And ROTJ, particularly the Luke/Vader/Emperor scenes.
     
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  17. DartJackson

    DartJackson Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Some golden Yoda lines, yes. But in the dialogue between Han and Leia, the maximum is simply decent, but I would not call him genius. Dialogue has never been central to these films, though. This is not a Tarantino movie, these are visual poems.

    So I don't understand why dialogues V and VI are so overrated. They may be better than the rest of the SW films, but this is just normal dialogue. There are still sometimes awkward moments. And replaying the actors.
     
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  18. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    They are overrated to you. Clearly many think otherwise.
     
  19. DartJackson

    DartJackson Jedi Youngling star 1

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    In many cult blockbusters (the same Spielberg) there is a dialogue of about the same level. But nobody pays attention to it. Unlike TESB and ROTJ. Nobody wants to perceive this as visual cinema.

    As for LK's career. He definitely knows how to write dialogue, but he is not a story / idea man. The plot never interested him. Even he himself spoke. And this can be seen in VII and in Solo. Lucas and Kasdan worked together to balance their shortcomings. But many viewers tend to give Kasdan much more than he deserves. But "bad Lucas" is constantly beaten.
     
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  20. christophero30

    christophero30 Chosen One star 8

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    Kasdan wrote Empire, Raiders, The Big Chill, Silverado and the Accidental Tourist. and Body Heat. He's a pretty good screenwriter, esp. in the 80's.
     
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