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Discussion Potential Threats/Antagonists For New Films

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Future Films - Spoilers Allowed' started by King Maul, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    Just the other day I was thinking of how Gideon was introduced with a “wasn’t he executed by the New Republic?” and realized that could be an early sign of his cloning, especially since the genetics connections *was* an early element.

    The biggest objection I can think of to that would be that he had to be rescued from his next capture by his knock-off Imperial Storm Commandos - unless they were just trying to destroy that body or something by that point.
     
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  2. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    Blake's Seven already did this storyline in 1979... :p

    https://tombrevoort.com/2020/04/18/best-of-blakes-7-star-one/
     
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  3. FredH

    FredH Jedi Grand Master star 1

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    I’m sure most of the obvious choices have been suggested already. But really, in exactly the same way there’s always a new supervillain for James Bond to deal with, I’m sure there’ll always be some new warlord for the Restored New Republic to have to smack down.
     
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  4. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    SW has two kinds of villains, a powerful Dark Sider or an evil genius like Tarkin, Krennic or Thrawn. In the ST I felt lacked a really great villain, something they corrected in the TV series for the most. Kylo Ren was pretty much a cheap Darth Vader, which asks the question, can Vader like villain ever match the original?
     
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  5. starocean90

    starocean90 Chosen One star 8

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    the ST sabotaged themselves with villains
    -Phasma a pathetic loser character
    -Hux was more serious in VII but turned parody in VIII-IX
    -Snoke Space Hugh Hefner, pretty lame villain and gets killed fast. He's just there to prop up Kylo.
    -Kylo a tantrum throwing child cough he's like 30 cough Vader wannabe but who's more Cringe Lord.

    is it any surprise they brought back Palps? when all the villains are lame as they get.

    no Vader like villain will ever go anywhere near the original. They need to move on from this type of character.

    but new Dark Siders is a must and hopefully they make a new group that last a LONG time like the Sith did. The fun of the Jedi vs Sith is that its a battle that's been going on for like 5000 years with a lot of back and forth and wars between them. A battle for the fate of the Galaxy. I do think post IX needs to have a group of villains that lasts as Empire lasted like 25 years and FO lasted like 1 year in ST and that's it. Would be a bit too much if one has to continue non-stop make up new villains, just create a new group that can last.

    they should try a powerful evil genius Dark Sider, Palps is one but isn't one to go on a battlefield but more in shadows. Even in III, it was Mace and co and then Yoda who seeked him out he didn't seek them out, even tried to bail on Yoda.
     
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  6. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    A good villain is hard to do, but I think if you look beyond the movies you find guys like Malak or Darth Malak who worked well in the cinematic cut-scenes. It’s about distinguishing them, giving them a backstory and purpose that isn’t a one-on-one copy of the Vader story. Those two were very powerful but not loyal servants. They both were ambitious and raised to their positions by betraying their masters to replace them. Something we never saw as a Sith story also we know it was common practice among the Sith.

    Have someone really craving power like Palpatine, but with a warrior attitude like Vader. Someone who seeks conflict to proof himself. A sadist who breaks his enemies by taking what they love most before coming to face them. So many options. But DSW seems to be stuck on one or two stereotypes. Even Maul in one wars was a variation of the Dark Warrior Sith and he was never going down redemption road.

    The one thing I liked about The Acolyte (generally not a fan of the show) was that Qimir was a different kind of Sith. I never fully got his agenda, but he seemed to not even consider himself evil but a fighter against suppression (that’s what he hints at least). A villain almost wasted on a show with such inconsistent writing otherwise.

    The old rule applies that the villain is the hero of his own story. He needs an arc (and not again a redemption arc) and he needs complexity. That of course means he needs screen time and a plan what they want to do with the character.
     
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  7. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    I kinda liked the original arc they planned for Kylo Ren in the ST.

    I liked how a darksider was tempted by the light side, it was a simple yet effective flip of the script that I felt was really interesting. Then to overcome that and become fully and irredeemably evil? No repeating the redemption arc again and instead giving the audience something a bit different. I think they really messed up by abandoning that arc.
     
  8. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I agree. That sounded like a great arc. Was even possible after TLJ to do so … but somehow Palpatine returned …
     
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  9. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    I really liked this in so far as it hinted at the Calvinist idea of "irresistible grace" which is interesting, given that Episode 7 was written by a Buddhist (Kasdan) and a Jew (Abrams)!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irresistible_grace
     
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  10. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I think giving the audience something a bit different when it comes to Ben Solo would probably have resulted in a fair amount of yays to it being different at first but then overtime people would look back at it focusing less on wanting a different story experience and more on what would have been best. And I don’t think a non-redeeming arc would have worked long term for the child of Han and Leia. In reflection it wouldn’t carry the yay to it being different factor once people start analysing the films.
     
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  11. Jedi Master Frizzy

    Jedi Master Frizzy Force Ghost star 7

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    Right now in villains gallery, Kylo Ren is in the top 5. Just below Darth Vader and Palpatine. He is the most popular ST character.
     
  12. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Yes and all the problems coming with it … like is being forced to be good really good?
    But I agree. The moment it was Leia and Han’s kid the redemption arc was coming. And therefore the remake of a very familiar plot about a bad guy with a mask was inevitable.
     
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  13. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    A great villain sets the scene from their first seconds on screen, visually and musically. The Acolyte should've been dark and gothic, delving into Sith lore, they took a lazy route by making her a Jedi turned to the dark side. It was such a shame as Qimir offered to be interestingly different from previous Sith in the films.

    How TPM set the scene with the Sith, it could've been a classic horror movie introducing Dracula or Baron Frankenstein, complete with gothic score by John Williams
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    AOTC reintroduces the Sith, again giving it a very dark and eerie, gothic atmosphere.
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    Would Disney want or dare green light something as dark and gothic even pseudo-Satanic? The zombie stormtroopers would hint
    that they might.
     
  14. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    To be fair to Calvinists I think they would say it is impossible for us to be good of our own volition so your argument is a moot point. We'd better not turn this thread into a religious debate though or the mods will punish us for our own sins. :p

    Yes, the problem with Kylo is they probably made him too evil from the outset, since we see him commit war crimes right from his first appearance, colluding in the massacre of the villagers and personally butchering the Max von Sydow character. Later in the same film he of course commits patricide. It doesn't leave anywhere much for him to go for him to become more evil as the trilogy progresses.

    Instead, we see him watered down to become an emo kid, which makes his motivations in the first film less explicable and Rey's later obsession with him uncomfortable watching.

    Maybe, if you look at the films from a somewhat subversive angle, you could argue it is Rey who becomes darker and darker, from selflessly keeping BB-8 to showing (righteous) anger when she attacks Finn in the mistaken belief he has stolen Poe's jacket, to apparently channeling anger again when she defeats Kylo on Star Killer Base, to "going straight to the Dark Side" when meditating on Ach-To, to attacking elderly Luke, to developing her fixation on Kylo, to saying "I like this", when she destroys the Tie Fighters in the skies of Crait, to finally killing her own grandfather after she had previously called Kylo a monster for murdering his father.
     
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  15. DarkLordoftheFins

    DarkLordoftheFins Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Her grandfather was … problematic.
     
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  16. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    Yep but it still makes her a hypocrite!
     
  17. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    This. If Kylo Ren were not the a Solo, then I agree this is a really interesting flip of a typical story device and would be interesting to see across three films. But as it is, with him being Han and Leia's son, that ultimately ends with our favorite heroes OWN futures ending up as a sad one. Not something I imagine fans would like to be left with at the end of a trilogy.
     
  18. Cos Palpatine

    Cos Palpatine Jedi Master star 4

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    True but not a lot of fans were happy with what they left us at the end of the actual sequel trilogy. Besides, they could have done something like make Rey his sister, or the daughter of Luke, which would have changed the dynamic completely and allowed for a bittersweet ending. But anyway, I don't want to go off topic about ST speculation so I'll leave it at that.

    On topic; I'd like to see the Sith species as antagonists. I know Zahn originally wanted the Noghri to be Sith but LFL said no to the idea. Might be interesting to see a relict group of Sith go up against the NJO.
     
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  19. DARTH_BELO

    DARTH_BELO Force Ghost star 5

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    I actually was really hoping that Rey would turn out to be Ben's sister. At least up until TROS that really could've worked. The way the two of them were portrayed it would've made a lot of sense. The only major storyline that would need to change/be re-worked is how Han and Leia had a daughter once that they lost (perhaps something like what happened to Lando), and how she ended up on Jakku. There's lots of little moments in TFA especially, with ALL the characters and how they interact with Rey-that give the impression that they know who she is, or at least feel some sort of connection to her. In TFA Han and Leia act like they already know her-and they're just not saying anything. I suppose yes; they knew she was Palpatine's granddaughter-but that connection could've been written in other ways too.
     
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  20. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    I think if they knew her in TFA they wouldn't have been subtle about it. When talking about seeing Ben again in the movie, they also would have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. Which they don't. And if she was their daughter i suspect it would be a talking point they needed to discuss. Not subtle just ignore it or act like they needed to not point it out to eachother.
     
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  21. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    I still feel like they may have done better if they used the Catholic idea of “penitence” to synthesize some of the “irresistible grace” of Calvinism and “pursuing enlightenment” of Buddhism ideas inside the Jedi philosophy; a bittersweet ending showing Kylo trapped on some lonely planet (a kind of physical Purgatory metaphor) after realizing his failures and sins, and growing into a good man through contemplating the Force might have been a way to “thread the needle” on both giving him a role as the main villain we root against while also allowing him to not doom the family...

    ...Though I still think you’d *need* Rey to be a Skywalker if Ben “must” experience irresistible grace/franchise favoritism because of his bloodline; Ben getting a “free ticket” to redemption regardless because of his parents shows she’s too easily overshadowed by his family rather than his characterization.

    But back to the villain thing...

    I’ve got an idea for how someone *could* transition from the Sith being truly, finally defeated to a new Dark Side cult - portray the new villainous faction as trying to use leftover Sith technology and spell craft to learn the dark side... but also show that Sith stuff “dying” and have the new villain have significant philosophical differences inspired by the Sith’s failure.

    Imagine some new dark sider who’s got different iconography than the Sith (maybe preferring white clothing to black and elegant aesthetic to brutalist designs) and some major differences (like seeing themselves as “Force Supremacists” who actually reject the labels “dark side” and “light side”) digging up a Sith Holocron, finding the “AI” inside begging for help as its systems start to shut down, coldly ignoring it, and forcing it to explain some esoteric Sith ideas, then letting it “die” and explaining to a disciple what was “right” or “wrong” about the information in a twisted way.

    I think there’s some room to create new Force villains if the need arises, and some potential to make them a foil to a New Jedi Order.
     
  22. DarthHass

    DarthHass Force Ghost star 4

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    I like a nom anor type villain — not yuuzhan vong but a pseudo Machiavellian player meant to disrupt. Maybe be part of one of the criminal organizations — Black Sun
     
  23. Echo Base

    Echo Base Jedi Master star 4

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    You just reminded me of the "penitence" scene from the Doctor Who episode, "The Twin Dilemma", albeit your version would be a serious take on it:

    https://www.chakoteya.net/DoctorWho/21-7.htm
     
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  24. DarthTalgus

    DarthTalgus Force Ghost star 4

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    Hear me out: Darth Plagueis
     
  25. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 8

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    Well, because I was bored, I asked ChatGPT for 3 different ideas of a threat/villain for a sequel trilogy to the sequel trilogy. The ideas were definitely interesting.

    A potential Star Wars Episodes X-XII could introduce a new era of storytelling while respecting the legacy of the previous trilogies. Here’s a concept that builds on existing themes while introducing fresh elements. This story would center around the next generation of Force users navigating the balance between the Light and Dark Sides in an era where both are no longer so clearly defined. Rey, now older and wiser, could serve as a mentor or legendary figure much like Luke, Obi-Wan, or Yoda before her.


    Core Concept


    Title of the Trilogy: Star Wars: The Eternal Balance

    Time Period: 50+ years after The Rise of Skywalker

    Setting: The galaxy is in a new era of fragile peace, but ideological rifts remain. Technological advances have led to new challenges, while the legacy of the Jedi, Sith, and Force itself are questioned. The Force is shifting, and the balance of power is about to change once again.


    Premise


    The New Jedi Order, founded by Rey Skywalker, has grown and evolved into a galactic peacekeeping force. But unlike the rigid Jedi of old, this Order embraces a more nuanced philosophy of balance, encouraging its members to understand both their light and dark impulses. However, this ideology has become controversial. Critics accuse the New Jedi of being too permissive with emotions and passions, arguing that it invites corruption. This schism has divided Force users across the galaxy.


    At the heart of this ideological storm, a mysterious signal is received from the Unknown Regions — a place where Rey once confronted Emperor Palpatine. It contains an ancient message in a language older than the Jedi or Sith, hinting at a long-lost Force civilization beyond the known galaxy. The message speaks of a being known as “The First Witness”, claiming to have seen the birth of the Force itself.


    With Rey too old to undertake the journey herself, she sends a new generation of Force-wielders to investigate. But the deeper they travel, the more they realize that this “Witness” is not a mere observer — it is a catalyst for a new shift in the Force itself. This shift threatens to undo everything they thought they knew about balance, legacy, and destiny.


    Main Characters


    1. Taryn Solara (Protagonist)

    • Role: A Force-sensitive orphan raised within Rey’s New Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Bold, idealistic, deeply empathetic, but haunted by prophetic dreams.

    • Arc: She struggles with feelings of fate vs. choice, wondering if she is truly free or just a pawn in the larger balance of the Force.

    • Goal: To prove herself worthy of being a leader of the New Jedi Order while grappling with the idea that destiny may already be written for her.

    • Connection to Rey: Rey’s personal apprentice and the trilogy’s new “chosen one” archetype, though she rejects the idea of being “chosen” at all.


    2. Kalen Vos (Deuteragonist/Ally)

    • Role: A charismatic, self-assured descendant of Quinlan Vos, a “gray” Jedi.

    • Traits: Cunning, morally flexible, but loyal to his friends. He’s part of a covert group within the New Jedi Order that believes the only way to maintain balance is by mastering both light and dark powers.

    • Arc: Kalen is torn between being a “rebel within the Jedi” or fully embracing the darker aspects of the Force. He believes darkness is a tool, not a threat, but this philosophy puts him at odds with other Jedi.

    • Goal: To find the truth behind the “First Witness” and claim its power for himself, though his motives are ambiguous.


    3. Meera Syndra (Antagonist Turned Villain)

    • Role: A disillusioned former Jedi Knight and founding member of the New Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Stoic, devout, and sees herself as a “true believer” in the old ways of the Jedi.

    • Arc: Meera begins as a skeptic of Rey’s vision of “embracing balance,” believing it’s a slippery slope to the Dark Side. Her disillusionment grows as she realizes the Jedi are no longer “pure.” She gradually forms her own splinter faction, leading a group of Force-wielders called the Purifiers who seek to “cleanse” the Jedi Order.

    • Goal: To restore the “purity” of the Jedi and to eliminate those who “taint” the Force with the teachings of the Dark Side. She comes to believe that “balance” is a lie.


    4. Rey Skywalker (Mentor/Figurehead)

    • Role: The last living member of the original Star Wars trilogy generation.

    • Traits: Wise, patient, but burdened by the weight of being “the one who restored the Jedi.”

    • Arc: Rey serves as a mentor to Taryn but struggles with the idea that perhaps she was wrong to push the concept of balance. She fears that by encouraging “balance,” she may have made the same mistakes Luke did.

    • Goal: To see the next generation succeed where she failed, while also seeking atonement for any mistakes she made as the leader of the New Jedi Order.


    5. The First Witness (Villain)

    • Role: The mysterious figure at the heart of the trilogy’s mystery.

    • Backstory: It claims to have seen the birth of the Force itself and has become a Force Manifestation — a being who exists as both spirit and matter.

    • Arc: At first, it appears as a neutral observer, sharing ancient knowledge. But as the heroes discover, its ultimate goal is to rewrite the nature of the Force itself, creating a new “First Balance” — one that eliminates all conflict by making the Force one singular will.

    • Goal: To subsume all individual will into a singular, unified purpose, ending all struggle in the galaxy forever.


    Themes

    1. Balance is Complicated

    • Rey’s vision of “true balance” is challenged by Meera and Kalen, whose contrasting perspectives reveal that balance means different things to different people. Is balance an equal share of light and dark, or the complete absence of darkness?

    2. Legacy and the Weight of Inheritance

    • Taryn feels trapped by the myth of destiny, believing she has no control over her future. She questions if she must follow Rey’s vision of balance or carve her own path.

    3. Purity vs. Integration

    • Meera believes in the “purity” of the Jedi’s ways, while Kalen represents the idea that the only true path is integration of all aspects of the Force — both light and dark. Their conflict mirrors debates in modern-day philosophy, faith, and power.

    4. The Nature of Power

    • The First Witness seeks to end struggle by subsuming all wills into a singular mind, while Rey and Taryn believe that choice, conflict, and struggle are necessary for growth. This creates a thematic clash on whether peace through control is preferable to freedom through struggle.


    Potential Story Arcs for the Trilogy

    • Episode X: “The Call of the Witness”

    The Jedi Order splits over differing philosophies, with Meera and her Purifiers going rogue. The young heroes investigate the origin of the “First Witness” in the Unknown Regions.

    • Episode XI: “Shadows of the Balance”

    The splintered Jedi Order faces internal war as Meera’s Purifiers try to seize control of the Order. The First Witness reveals its plans to “rewrite” the Force, creating a paradise of total control.

    • Episode XII: “The Eternal Choice”

    The final showdown occurs as the heroes confront the First Witness, who offers them a chance to eliminate all suffering by merging all wills into one. Taryn rejects this, realizing that choice, struggle, and imperfection are what give life meaning.


    Visual/Artistic Approach


    The trilogy could have a more mystical, ethereal aesthetic. The Unknown Regions would feel surreal, dreamlike, and otherworldly, evoking a mix of mythological imagery and surreal landscapes. The Force itself could be visualized in ways never seen before — glowing threads of reality seen only by Force users, fractal patterns in the air, or strange Force echoes that only some characters perceive.


    This approach would blend everything fans love about Star Wars (family legacy, destiny, mystical philosophy) with something new and abstract. It offers emotional character arcs, grand philosophical debates, and a villainous figure whose motives are deeply compelling. Most importantly, it shifts the story from “good vs. evil” to “control vs. freedom,” elevating the conversation to something more profound.



    Here’s a fresh concept for Star Wars Episodes X-XII, focusing on a new kind of threat and antagonist that departs from Sith Lords, Galactic Empires, and secret family lineages. This trilogy explores new dimensions of the Force while staying true to the saga’s core themes of legacy, choice, and balance.


    Concept 2: “The Shattered Veil” Trilogy


    Time Period: 50+ years after The Rise of Skywalker

    Main Conflict: The Force itself is breaking. Reality is becoming unstable.

    Central Theme: The nature of reality, free will, and the cost of knowing too much.


    Premise


    The story begins as distortions in reality are witnessed across the galaxy. Ships disappear into nothing. Time loops repeat for minutes or hours. Entire planets briefly shift into alternate versions of themselves, with new histories, landscapes, and rulers. People claim to remember events that “never happened.” Rey, now an elder mentor and Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, believes these disturbances are tears in the Veil of the Force — the invisible barrier between the physical world and the “timeless sea” of the Force.


    But something new is emerging from these tears. Fragments of “Echo Beings” — echoes of people who never existed in this timeline — begin to materialize, and they remember lives from alternate versions of reality. They seek to claim their “rightful” place in existence, and they are led by a mysterious figure called The Riftborn. He claims to be from a “perfect reality” that was unjustly erased. His goal is simple: restore his “true” timeline and overwrite the current reality to bring it back.


    The Jedi must confront a terrifying possibility:

    What if reality is just one version of many? What if they are the ones living in a mistake?


    Main Characters


    1. Zephyr Kan (Protagonist)

    • Role: Force-sensitive scavenger from a forgotten world, recruited into the New Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Scrappy, impulsive, curious, but deeply skeptical of destiny.

    • Arc: Zephyr is haunted by flashes of a “different life” where he was a powerful leader. As his visions intensify, he begins to wonder if the Riftborn’s words are true — what if he was “meant” to be something greater?

    • Motivation: To learn if his current life is “real” or if he was “stolen” from his true destiny.

    • Internal Conflict: Is he a hero fighting for the truth, or just a pawn in a larger cosmic rewrite of the galaxy?


    2. Eila Joss (Deuteragonist / Love Interest)

    • Role: A Force-sensitive historian dedicated to studying ancient Force texts.

    • Traits: Wise, analytical, deeply compassionate, but hesitant to take action.

    • Arc: Eila’s belief in the “sacred history” of the galaxy is shattered as she discovers that timelines can shift. She becomes the group’s moral compass, arguing that the present moment matters more than “what should have been.”

    • Goal: To prove that it’s not destiny, but choice, that defines reality.

    • Conflict: Her growing affection for Zephyr is tested as she fears his growing obsession with the Riftborn’s ideology.


    3. Master Rey Skywalker (Mentor)

    • Role: Legendary Jedi Master, leader of the New Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Wise, calm, and measured, but burdened by the knowledge that she might have failed the new generation.

    • Arc: Rey serves as a guide for Zephyr and Eila but becomes a tragic figure as she slowly realizes that she, too, might be an Echo.

    • Mystery: The Riftborn claims that Rey only exists because her original timeline was erased, hinting that her very life is a “mistake.” She must confront the idea that perhaps she is no more “real” than the beings emerging from the rifts.


    4. The Riftborn (Primary Antagonist)

    • Role: A mysterious figure from an alternate timeline where the Jedi Order ruled the galaxy with unchallenged power.

    • Traits: Charismatic, visionary, and patient, but vengeful toward those who “stole” his perfect reality.

    • Backstory: In his reality, the Sith were defeated by a ruthless Jedi faction that seized control of the galaxy as “benevolent rulers.” His timeline was erased during a cosmic “correction” in the Force (possibly tied to Palpatine’s resurrection).

    • Goal: Reclaim his timeline by reopening the Shattered Veil, restoring “his” galaxy while erasing this one. He preys on Jedi who doubt their purpose, offering them roles of greatness in his “true” reality.

    • Motive: He believes that his timeline was the “rightful” one, and that reality itself was stolen from him.

    • Villain’s Appeal: He offers lost people a place where they are “whole.”


    5. Echo Beings (Secondary Villains)

    • Role: Beings from alternate timelines who briefly “bleed” into the current reality. Some are lost, confused souls, but others are malevolent reflections of heroes and villains alike.

    • Notable Echo: Kylo Ren (Echo Version) appears in one scene, claiming that he was the “true Ben Solo” from a timeline where he rejected Snoke’s influence. Is he lying, or is this actually a Ben Solo from another reality?


    Plot Breakdown


    Episode X: The Shattered Veil

    • Reality begins to “flicker.” People claim to see loved ones who died long ago. Cities briefly change into versions that “never existed.”

    • Rey sends Zephyr, Eila, and a small Jedi group to investigate a “convergence point” in the Outer Rim.

    • They encounter The Riftborn — a calm, soft-spoken man who insists that the Jedi have “stolen everything” from him.

    • He convinces some Jedi to join him, promising to restore their “true selves” if they help him open the Veil.


    Episode XI: Echoes of Eternity

    • The rift grows stronger. The galaxy is experiencing widespread time anomalies. People riot over prophecies of “timeline destruction.”

    • Jedi temples are attacked by echo versions of past Sith and Jedi. Imagine iconic villains like Darth Vader (Echo) battling Rey.

    • Zephyr is seduced by the Riftborn’s logic, convinced that his destiny was stolen from him. He switches sides.

    • The Riftborn’s goal is revealed: to access the “Root of the Force” — the core where all possible realities converge.


    Episode XII: The Root of the Force

    • The Veil fully shatters, and all timelines briefly converge. We see echoes of Luke, Anakin, Kylo Ren, and others appear as flickers of possibility.

    • Rey confronts Riftborn at the Root of the Force, a swirling ocean of light and shadow.

    • Rey learns that the “present moment” is the only true version of reality. She tells Riftborn: “Your timeline was never real. This one is.”

    • Zephyr realizes that his desire to “be someone greater” was a weakness, not destiny. He defies Riftborn and chooses to remain in his “imperfect life.”

    • Riftborn is unmade, his existence reabsorbed into the Force. Rey dies, using all her strength to restore the Veil. Her last words to Zephyr: “Be here. Be now.”


    New Themes

    1. What is Reality?

    • What if every version of “you” across the multiverse thinks they are the “real” one? Who has the right to decide?

    2. Identity and Self-Worth

    • The Riftborn’s rhetoric preys on insecurities, making people doubt if their current self is “enough.”

    3. The Present Moment

    • The trilogy emphasizes that the “perfect timeline” doesn’t exist. You only have this reality, right now.

    4. The Force as an Ocean of Time

    • The Force isn’t just a “spiritual field” but a sea of possibility. The Shattered Veil allows glimpses of “what might have been.”


    This trilogy could give Star Wars a mythic, cosmic edge. The Riftborn, the Veil, and the “Root of the Force” would expand the Force beyond “light vs. dark” and move into existential, philosophical storytelling — like the nature of choice, destiny, and reality itself. It allows past icons to return, not as fanservice, but as echoes of what “could have been.”



    Here’s another completely different concept for Star Wars Episodes X-XII. This idea introduces a unique type of antagonist, explores fresh territory within the Force, and retains the heart of Star Wars—legacy, choice, and hope.


    Concept 3: “The Sundered Force” Trilogy


    Time Period: 50+ years after The Rise of Skywalker

    Main Conflict: The Force itself begins to “fracture” into separate currents, each competing for dominance.

    Central Theme: Unity vs. Division — what happens when the Force itself is no longer whole?


    Premise


    For millennia, the Force was seen as a single, unifying field. It had a Light Side, a Dark Side, and the living and cosmic aspects — but all of it was connected. Now, something unprecedented has happened.


    The Force is breaking apart.


    Jedi, Sith, and Force-sensitives across the galaxy begin to feel it. No longer do they draw from one shared “well” of power. Instead, they feel drawn to different “currents” of the Force, each with distinct personalities, colors, and ideologies. No one knows why this has happened. Some Jedi feel cut off from parts of the Force they once touched. Others find themselves pulled toward an unfamiliar “voice” in the Force that calls them to new powers. The Force, once unified, has shattered into distinct, competing “streams.”


    This change unleashes a wave of ideological conflict across the galaxy. Force users begin to claim that “their current” of the Force is the truest and most pure form. This growing divide pulls apart the New Jedi Order, now led by Grand Master Rey. The “Fractured Orders” rise, each seeking to claim dominance over the future of the Force. And in the heart of it all, a mysterious figure known only as The Harbinger claims that the separation of the Force is not a flaw — it is a destiny. He seeks to harness these distinct currents to become something beyond a Jedi or Sith.


    This new trilogy is about what happens when unity breaks down — in the Force, in the Jedi, and in the galaxy itself.


    Main Characters


    1. Kaelen Voss (Protagonist)

    • Role: A conflicted Padawan from the New Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Idealistic, strong-willed, deeply loyal to his friends, but torn between the need for unity and his growing obsession with a new current of the Force.

    • Arc: Kaelen starts as a student of Rey’s Jedi Order but feels alienated as his connection to a “new current” of the Force strengthens. This current grants him unique powers that Rey cannot explain. Kaelen is slowly drawn to The Fractured Orders that believe in embracing these distinct currents instead of returning to a singular Force.

    • Motivation: To prove he has a rightful place as a Jedi, even if it means embracing the part of the Force that others fear.

    • Conflict: Can he reunite the broken Force, or will he side with those who believe “diversity of power” is better than unity?


    2. Nira San (Deuteragonist / Love Interest)

    • Role: A rising Jedi Knight, loyal to Rey’s vision of the Jedi Order.

    • Traits: Stoic, practical, and bound to her duty, but willing to break rules to protect Kaelen.

    • Arc: Nira starts as a firm believer in Rey’s vision for unity in the Force, but as she sees Kaelen pulled toward the Fractured Orders, she begins to question whether “oneness” is truly the right path.

    • Goal: To protect Kaelen from himself, but to also understand what’s right for the future of the Jedi.

    • Conflict: Can she stop Kaelen from making a fateful mistake, or will her desire to “save him” pull her into the fracture as well?


    3. Grand Master Rey Skywalker (Mentor / Tragic Hero)

    • Role: Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, spiritual successor to Luke Skywalker.

    • Traits: Wise, burdened, patient, but quietly afraid that she has failed to understand the Force’s deeper nature.

    • Arc: Rey’s core belief that the Force is “one, whole, and balanced” is shattered as the Force splinters. Her journey is about letting go of control and accepting that she might not be able to “fix” everything.

    • Internal Conflict: Rey sees her life’s work — restoring balance — being undone. But was “balance” just an illusion?

    • Tragic Moment: Rey faces the Harbinger in a confrontation where he forces her to question if the Force was ever truly “one.” Her final realization is that the Force was never unified — it only seemed that way.


    4. The Harbinger (Primary Antagonist)

    • Role: A mysterious prophet-like figure who claims to have been “chosen” by one of the new Force currents.

    • Traits: Calculating, visionary, and disturbingly serene in his beliefs. He speaks softly but with unshakable conviction.

    • Powers: The Harbinger has access to powers no one has seen before, as he claims to be the first being to truly master all the currents at once.

    • Goal: To prove that unity is a lie. The Force was never “one.” By embracing the diversity of its streams, he can become something greater than Jedi, Sith, or Chosen One.

    • Philosophy: “The Force was never whole. It was always a choir of many voices. Now, for the first time, we can hear them all.”

    • Motivation: He believes he is the destined “Harmonic” — the being who will become the voice of all currents.


    5. The Fractured Orders (Secondary Villains / Sympathetic Opponents)

    • Role: A network of new Force sects, each aligned with one of the distinct Force currents.

    • Examples:

    • The Red Veil: They see their current as a “truth-seeking flame” and believe in exposing painful realities.

    • The Ebon Tide: Their current sees the Force as an endless flow of “shadow and reflection,” and they practice a style of “mirror-walking.”

    • The Silver Brand: Their current focuses on the “blinding light of clarity,” and their powers involve overwhelming visions of absolute certainty.


    These Orders aren’t evil. Some truly believe they are following the next evolution of the Force.


    Plot Breakdown


    Episode X: The Fracture Begins

    • Strange changes occur in the Jedi Order. Force users begin to experience different “colors” of the Force, and Jedi experience unusual powers.

    • The Harbinger’s message spreads across the galaxy: “The Force was never whole. You were lied to.”

    • Kaelen begins hearing the call of a new current. He’s told by Rey to resist it, but his curiosity grows.

    • The Jedi Temple fractures as students split into different factions, joining the Fractured Orders.


    Episode XI: The Harbinger’s Rise

    • The Fractured Orders begin to spread their beliefs across the galaxy. Some systems adopt the idea that multiple truths can coexist, while others fall into war.

    • Rey fights to hold the Jedi Order together. But doubt is spreading.

    • Kaelen joins the Harbinger, convinced that Rey’s vision of unity is flawed.

    • A major Force battle occurs as Rey faces the Harbinger, only to realize that his ideology might be right.


    Episode XII: The New Chosen One

    • Kaelen, now the Harbinger’s champion, leads a final attack to claim control of the Sundered Nexus, a place where all Force currents converge.

    • Rey and Kaelen face each other. Rey tells him, “We don’t have to be one. We just have to be together.”

    • Kaelen must choose: accept that unity is an illusion, or let the Force remain divided forever.

    • Rey sacrifices herself to seal the Sundered Nexus, but Kaelen realizes that the Force isn’t about dominance — it’s about coexistence.


    New Themes

    1. Unity vs. Diversity — Do we need a single truth, or can many truths coexist?

    2. Dogma and Control — The Jedi once claimed to “know the Force,” but this trilogy asks: Did they ever understand it?

    3. The Nature of Power — When people discover new powers, do they use them to control others, or find peace in coexistence?


    This concept allows for visual diversity (different-colored Force powers), ideological conflict, and new philosophies of the Force, while still centering on familiar Star Wars themes: legacy, choice, and hope.


    Would you like to explore this concept further or get a brand-new idea?


     
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