ST Prequel References In The ST

Catching the Snake

 

ROTS ends with a focus on Luke and Leia and an ending shot of the twin suns of Tatooine. TROS ends with a focus on Luke and Leia and an ending shot of the twin suns of Tatooine.

 

Is there a Shmi? Like, Palpatine's son/clone was not FS sensitive. Palpatine needed a womb. So, Rey's mom. But if the son/clone was not FS, the child wouldn't have been FS either, right? You can have a FS child through a FS father+womb (Anakin/Padme or through a FS mother and her own womb (Leia).

So if Rey is a Palpatine, so is her mother. But nothing is said about Jodie Comer, and she looks a lot like Leia's mother in the ROTJ novel, who was not Padme: 'running, hiding in a trunk, parting embraces, flesh torn from flesh'.

So, someone else. You don't need a father, just a mother and a certain ability learned from Plagueis; and maybe, this time, a certain object (a helmet, let's say) Ben was sent away the same year Rey was born. Too much Vader in him.

So, a mother: a Palpatine, in the sense of sharing a common ancestor with the emperor. According to him, that ancient throne was Rey's too. It is in our blood.

The 'mechanism' has to do with Lucas' ideas. This hypothetical character would have to do with JJ. This us Sydney Bristow's mom from Alias:

The idea being, baby Rey was left in a basket, like Baby Moses, and the TROS parents found her. (Luke's temple was destroyed via sith lightning in the Kylo comic. Was that an 'agent'?)

 

I found Luke's use of "Darth Sidious" really jarring and out of place.

 

The scene with the arriving Skywalker on Exegol mirrors ROTS' Coruscant scene. We already had this. But even Rey's lightsaber aiming behind her head (for killing Palpatine) is similar to Mace's. I just realized this. All in all a pretty interesting mirroring in that scene.

 

I agree. I liked that he did though.

I’m guessing the galaxy still refers to him as just Emperor Palpatine at the time of TLJ. I’d be interested to know how much of the galaxy at that point were aware that the man who ruled the galaxy was actually a Sith though.

 

Darth Sidious, instead of Palpatine. Darth Vader, instead of Skywalker. He's talking about the jedi and the sith.

Darth Sidious was a Rule of Two name. Plagueis>Sidious>Vader, etc.

That's how he started and how (from Luke's perspective) he died. That's the OT/PT. So, that's what Luke knew. More or less what the audience knows before the ST. But there was more.

I think Sidious discovered something at one point about himself. About Senator Palpatine. The throne in Exegol was his by blood. There was a bloodline element going back to the sith ruling the galaxy, and preceding the Bane-Sidious lineage (the rule of two)

Ruin=Ren I guess.
This is Cosinga Palpatine talking to our Palpatine, his 17 yo son, in the 'Plagueis' novel (2012). Palpatine is about to kill him:

And:

So Palpatine was kept during development together with these ideas. But those ideas had (have) to do with stories not involving Luke, so Luke had to be kept non-omniscient. He knew about Exegol and the wayfinders, but I don't think he knew the whole story, or at least not before Kylo Ren had become a reality.
'Only two were made'. Maybe there was a dyad once. Palpatine and Kylo minsinterpret it in TROS, but both know about it. In fact, 'dyad' is a sith word.

 

Both the PT and the ST involve Sidious using figureheads to command factions (Nute Gunray/Trade Federation, Dooku and Grievous/Separatists, Snoke/First Order) while he operates in the shadows.

 

Poe and Leia in TLJ:

“We took down a dreadnaught!”

“At what cost?!”

Anakin and Padme in ROTS:

“Love won’t save you Padme. Only my new powers can do that!”

“at what cost?!”

 

Anakin arrives at Palpatine’s office, jumps out and runs to help Palpatine defeat Mace Windu.

Ben arrives at Palpatine’s temple on Exegol, jumps out and runs to help Rey defeat Palpatine.

 

Other than Luke referencing Darth Sidious, Mustafar and Anakin’s voice on Exegol, I’m not sure there are many PT references... certainly no conscious rhyming, mirroring or symbolism.

 

I don't think people can accuse TFA of being ANH beat for beat rip off and not have some mirroring. Thought there was plenty, tho id have liked more.. but they were scared to because of the fan backlash over the PT. They just couldn't win

 

Speeder chase on Pasaana mirrors the pode racing in TPM.

 

podracer parts on jakku

 

How so? Because it was a race over sand?

I can’t remember those. Any screenshots you can link to?

 

Oh, they can cry me a river (both the old standard AND the Timberlake song). They got paid big money to play in the Star Wars sandbox and were handed the original cast back and that was what they came up with? You could have remade My Dinner with Andre with Mark, Harrison and Carrie and people would have showed up.

 

this is a thread about PT references not using the OT characters

 

Are you really suprised?

 

no my friend, not really

 

I'm responding the bolded in your comment, but whatever...

 

yes they were effected so much by the adverse reaction to the PT it influenced the making and marketing of the ST. Fact

 

It influenced the ‘marketing’ for TFA for sure... most of it built on a falsehood of course. I’m not sure it influenced the ‘making’ as such. And of course it all ultimately backfired.

 

i think those who treated George unfairly through the PT years are the reason we got the ST we got, a decade of barbed jokes about sand and Han shooting first etc have had a weathering effect on the whole thing long before the ST. i think something as little as an OT3 flashback scene would've helped appease some. Let's be honest a lot of people just wanted the Luke scene we got in mando to be the ST.. after having waited since 1983 like me. im happy the three trilogies are very different a lot of fans didn't i guess.

 

I dispised the Marketing of TFA...but backfired?

The BO for TFA broke serval records...it's still the highes grossing movie in the USA. It was a huge succsess and made it's Money because of the Marketing and Hype as well as the word of mouth. No matter your personal Feelings about TFA the movie was huge hit a and well recveived from audience and critics.

The Audience Score for TFA at RT: 86 %
The Critic Score for TFA: 93%
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_wars_episode_vii_the_force_awakens

Does'nt look like backfire to me.

I think you have a Point here. Especially after TLJ and Luke not beeing SuperJedi I think you're absolutley right about it. Heck I'd loved to have seen MegaLuke too in the ST and fantasized about it yet Iam just as happy with what I've got instead.

 

'Backfired' in that they ultimately delivered a sequel trilogy that's derided, and divisive, and which lost circa 50% of its audience after TFA. The marketing certainly worked for getting bums on seats for TFA... no doubt there. But that's a different conversation.

The marketing was cynical and had little to do with any fan discontent towards the PT (IMO), other than Disney/Lucasfilm saw it as an opportunity. It kind of reflects the sequels themselves, in my opinion, that 'the powers that be' thought it easier to show the OT3 as failures, as a way of artificially inflating the worth/value of the new heroes, rather than building the new heroes organically through the actual writing/development process. Similarly, Disney/Lucasfilm saw a marketing opportunity, to prop up/distinguish the ST, by running (and reenforcing) the 'it's all real and not CGI' kind of schtick, which was a big part of their marketing... certainly for TFA.