Senate "Race" Relations (was "U.S. Society and Black Men")

Not defensible at all reality.

 

1) I'm actually sick of both you and wocky pretending like I don't "understand" what's going on in these people's minds. I'm not some moron, I've been dealing with racism against me from nonwhites for quite a long time. Calling something "weird" doesn't mean I don't understand something.

2) Wocky presented these people as defensible, having legitimate concerns that they are merely addressing the wrong way. He's done this before, many times on many topics, and most people here can attest to it. I'm now calling him out on this behavior, I'd appreciate you not being an inconvenience, thanks.

 

1) It's sort of problematic that you are claiming to understand while simultaneously asserting that something doesn't exist which multiple black people are attesting to. Especially given that one of your favorite go-to arguments is citing your own experience. If we don't appreciate what it's like to live in Pakistan or be multi-racial, you should probably also concede that, while you have some analogous moments, you really don't know the full detail of the black experience in the US.

2) I never presented these people as defensible. Literally my first comment was calling their behavior as "awful." What I tried to highlight was, just as "men's rights advocates" fail to see what they label "reverse sexism" not as some malign power of a women, but in fact a consequence of patriarchy itself, hitting outside its intended target (eg narrowly prescribing a woman's role in society necessarily constrains what's acceptable for men, too), this phenomenon ob lack resentment of inter-racial relationships has its roots in white privilege and the racial hierarchy that supports it.

Finally, you know what I look like. You might consider who is on the receiving end of these sorts of attacks outside people who are multi-racial. Do you really believe that what you're proposing about my position makes any sense?

 

1) your comment was that it was awful that they're targeting Barack Obama's daughter. We all know you go over the top when it comes to the Obama's. If this was some other black woman, who knows what your opinion.

2) I don't claim to know anything about the experience of being black. I am literally only bringing up my experience to defend the idea that I know what it's like to be the subject of racism from nonwhites. If you have experience with black people having kids to whiten them up, I'm open to hearing it. But I'm inclined to think it's not many people.

 

There's a whole complex of phenomena, all with a common cause. Light-skinned people "passing" as white is a real thing. Centuries worth of common wisdom and for a long time outright academic speculation that people that either were whiter or even merely looked that way is a real thing. There are still ads being run for soap in 2017 that reference washing the black off. There is a tremendous drumbeat of pressure to define beauty in terms of hair texture and styles that cannot be naturally accomplished, noses that aren't common among people of African descent, and eye colors that are more rare still. People feel a pressure to be white because it absolutely exists, in myriad ways. Sometimes, they resent it.

And yes, sometimes that resentment leads them to do things that are also wrong.

 

I'm sure they're glad you're here to bend over backwards presenting apologia for them.

 

So which part of my post do you actually disagree with?

 

I disagree with you framing them as having valid concerns.

 

The things in my last post aren’t real? Those dynamics don’t exist?

 

It's not something that they need to get "concerned about" though.

 

I don't need you to talk to me like I'm a third grader. I'm very well understanding what's the psychology behind it. Wocky isn't doing what you are saying he's doing. His first sentence was only because she's an Obama. He does this thing, you know, where he'll defend Obama? That doesn't always transfer when it's someone else.

 

I’m an internist who practices hospital medicine, not a heart surgeon.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, though .

 

White Racism course at Florida university.

I... I... What?!

 

Has this been posted here? It might be of interest


you can also find it as an mp3 file here: https://bloggingheads.tv/videos/48380

 

What? The idea of white racism still gets people upset? Good.

 

I've taken courses called White Collar Crime and Women and Crime. I'd be interested to take that.

I read this a while back, and it was disturbing to see how often authorities lie. I knew it occurred, but to read about specific instances was disgusting. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...l-this-is-nothing-new/?utm_term=.97fe221eb3e8

 

Have you guys seen this?

Spoiler: racial language

If so, what are your thoughts?

 

I read that article before I posted here, I didn't really agree with it. The article claimed Joyner Lucas did a horrible job of refuting the points made by the white guy, and also compared them to a Nazi and Jew. I think it's a poor comparison.

I don't like the first criticism because I don't see this as a black man and white man having a debate. I see it as a video about recognizing difference in perspective, and how much that matters.

As far as the "Nazi and Jew" comparison, I think it's nothing like that. While on one side, of course not all black people are guilty of the crimes a few have committed, on the flip side not all white people are actively oppressing minorities. The white guy's anger comes from being told he's to blame for another's problems, but really it is the oppressors in government and society, not the every day white guy.

I really like the message of the video, that there is two sides to every story. Either side often refuses to listen to the other side, believing their own to be correct and therefore they shouldn't have to listen to the loser on the other side.

 

Do people know about this? If not it might be of interest:
"Code Switch
Ever find yourself in a conversation about race and identity where you just get...stuck? Code Switch can help. We're all journalists of color, and this isn't just the work we do. It's the lives we lead. Sometimes, we'll make you laugh. Other times, you'll get uncomfortable. But we'll always be unflinchingly honest and empathetic. Come mix it up with us."
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/