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Senate "Race" Relations (was "U.S. Society and Black Men")

Discussion in 'Community' started by Jedi Merkurian , Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    It's about trends, not entitlement. If Trump can expand so well, then once we have a non-openly-racist Republican nominee expect it go expand much more. It's about 2024 and beyond.
     
  2. Healer_Leona

    Healer_Leona Squirrel Rangler of Fun & Games star 9 Staff Member Manager

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    So powerful, so damn true. Much to America's shame.

     
  3. CT-867-5309

    CT-867-5309 Force Ghost star 6

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    I don't really see your reasoning here. You ever consider that Trump's inroads with these groups is unique to Trump? It might be. What if Latinos actually like Trump going after illegal immigrants? What if American Latinos, ones who are citizens and can actually vote, don't see themselves as the people Trump is talking about? What if legal immigrants don't like illegal immigrants?

    Do you have any other reasoning for Cruz?

    What if the next Republican just doesn't have whatever Trump has that is drawing more minorities? What if minorities prefer an upfront racist over a behind closed doors racist?
     
  4. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett PT Interview Host/All-Around Good Guy star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    Let’s say that’s the case that’s still not the reason unless your saying they thought Biden was a closet racist so they voted for the open one
     
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  5. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Maybe you're right, but I don't think so. We knew where Trump was in 2016.

    And I literally just picked Cruz because he was 2nd place in 2016. I could have said Rubio, Bush, etc.
     
  6. Lordban

    Lordban Chosen One star 6

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    Or, nonwhites have the same right to determine their vote on other issues than racism as whites do. Individual choices and beliefs matter, and whether the Republican candidate is a closet racist or an upfront racist is not always going to be what determines a person's vote.

    You want to understand why Trump managed to expand his nonwhite vote despite being a racist? Ask the people who expanded his vote, and listen to their answers.
     
  7. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    And the answer, at least why the Latino population here swung to Trump, is abortion and socialism. Becoming more pro-life and more anti-socialism. Not because they like how Trump is racist towards them, which they admit. Which is why a more generic Republican beyond this year has an even better chance due to this trend.
     
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  8. Lord Vivec

    Lord Vivec Chosen One star 9

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    That white woman looks sooooo uncomfortable
     
  9. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    From Pod Save America: the Democrats are losing majority white states like Ohio and Iowa but are not gaining voters in more diverse states—and that has to change if they want to continue to be relevant.
     
  10. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    it had to change decades ago. they are only relevant cause the gop needs them and they need it. mutual controlled opposition
     
  11. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 6

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    Treating the Latino population as a mass is a mistake. Puerto Ricans are very different voters than Cuban-Americans, and there's a sizeable population of the former in Florida since Trump's failure in Puerto Rico. However, the state has basically treated them like the ex-felons in preventing them from being able to vote (in their case, throw up roadblocks becoming Florida citizens and getting identification to vote).
     
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  12. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I would love it if all campaigns, marketing companies, etc. would stop treating any demographic as a monolith.
     
  13. anakincol

    anakincol Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    this is extremely well put @Lordban.
     
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  14. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    I am scared of how fast the dem response to Latinos voting trump turned into literal race science. predictable but terrifying. Americans can't even recognize race as a social construct or even that their conceptions of it in the context of Latin America is utterly wrong and idiotic, let alone that they are not monoliths
     
  15. Ghost

    Ghost Chosen One star 7

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    Definitely not trying to treat them like a mass. But here in Rhode Island, where it's a mix of Central-American, Carribean, and some Mexican-America, and none are a clear majority among the different Latino populations, there was a huge swing to Trump due to the abortion issue and socialism scaremongering. That's all I'm pointing out, that this is something the Democrats need to recognize and not dismiss so they can do better outreach to these communities they're losing. That if it can happen under Trump, it might be even worse next time. That's all I'm saying. That Democrats shouldn't ignore it, be complacent, act entitled to their votes and take them for granted.
     
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  16. vncredleader

    vncredleader Force Ghost star 5

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    They are losing these communities cause they are viewing demographics as communities. That's the big failing there, there is no consensus among Latin Americans on any issue, no more so than there is for "white' people. They need to stop thinking of people from South America as a single demographic, cause those scaremonger things are just as true for pasty Italian/Scots-Irish like my family. They need to reach out to communities period, but by drawing things along race lines with no consideration of how people perceive themselves they are just setting themselves up to pander to a stereotype and not the material interests of a material community. Income, zip-code, race, etc all combined make communities and decide broadstrokes the views present. Dems want a cheat sheet for the "Latinx brain" or whatever. when there is no code to crack, you just have to make people's lives better broadly speaking.
     
  17. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    On another note, I had a first grader tell me today how happy she was that “Mr. Biden” won and then added “...and the new Vice President is Brown!” The talk about it being important for kids to see leaders who look like them, has something to it.
     
  18. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  19. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett PT Interview Host/All-Around Good Guy star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I don’t expect racial tensions to get much better under Biden. But he won’t purposefully egg them on like Trump.
     
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  20. anakinfansince1983

    anakinfansince1983 Nightsister of Four Realms star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  21. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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  22. I Are The Internets

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    Oh, but it's just a "couple of bad eggs" in the department.

    [face_plain]
     
  23. Mar17swgirl

    Mar17swgirl Force Ghost star 7

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    It’s funny how everyone who uses the “just a few bad eggs” excuse doesn’t seem to want to throw those bad eggs out.
     
  24. Charmbracelet

    Charmbracelet Jedi Padawan star 1

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    They also have little problem rationalizing away the action of these "bad eggs", yet rarely, if ever, extend the victims of those actions the same courtesy.
     
  25. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett PT Interview Host/All-Around Good Guy star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I don’t think I have ever found a case of police brutality where people didn’t try to justify it because the person did something wrong once in their life.

    George Floyd is a great example the amount of sick people I have seen try to justify the use of force against him because of his past is disgusting.